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swervin'mervin 3rd December 2022 17:15

How big is the seniority list right now? (And.... can anyone explain how the roster bidding system works in a nutshell?!)

White Van Driver 3rd December 2022 18:22


Originally Posted by swervin'mervin (Post 11341758)
How big is the seniority list right now? (And.... can anyone explain how the roster bidding system works in a nutshell?!)

estimated right now 3900 on the list.
however our current numbers go up to 4700 or so because as mentioned earlier, the numbers haven't been updated since pre covid (2019 iirc).

roster bidding in a nutshell:
you put together Your bid through a number of algorithmic commands. It gives you 8 "buckets" to put all the trips into, which you have to achieve within 40(?) commands. The top bucket is the trips you really want to do. The bottom bucket is the trips you really want to avoid. It helps to be a computer programmer to use the company system, but we have a 3rd party app that makes it much easier a small charge. So you can choose anything you like - destination, flight number, days off, region, report time, 2/3/4 pilot trips, right down to a single flight that your mate is going to be on.

The computer then crunches the numbers, and comes out with the best roster for pilot#1,. and so on down the list until the very bottom. Needless to say, by the time the system gets to the bottom pilots it only has unpopular trips on unpopular days - but it still does it's best.

Then, because the system inevitably hasn't covered 99.5% of the work, it unlocks all the rosters and messes then up again to squeeze more work in.... recently this process has been messing up the rosters right the way to the top of the list.

once these processes are all complete the rosters are published. Once that happens it's all but written in stone.

I honestly can't complain. I'm very junior on my fleet (LH, >95% off the top) and even I get some variety. I get most of the days off I need (unless they are weekends but we have 6 "golden days" a year to guarantee days off way in advance for birthdays, anniversaries, weddings etc). I never knew the old system so can't compare but it works well enough for me considering my position as a bottom feeder.

that's not really the promised nutshell... but the bidding system is a type rating all on its own!

edit to add the rosters are normally published around 7th to 10th for the following month with a sneak preview available a few days earlier.

swervin'mervin 3rd December 2022 19:14


Originally Posted by White Van Driver (Post 11341785)
estimated right now 3900 on the list.
however our current numbers go up to 4700 or so because as mentioned earlier, the numbers haven't been updated since pre covid (2019 iirc).

roster bidding in a nutshell:
you put together Your bid through a number of algorithmic commands. It gives you 8 "buckets" to put all the trips into, which you have to achieve within 40(?) commands. The top bucket is the trips you really want to do. The bottom bucket is the trips you really want to avoid. It helps to be a computer programmer to use the company system, but we have a 3rd party app that makes it much easier a small charge. So you can choose anything you like - destination, flight number, days off, region, report time, 2/3/4 pilot trips, right down to a single flight that your mate is going to be on.

The computer then crunches the numbers, and comes out with the best roster for pilot#1,. and so on down the list until the very bottom. Needless to say, by the time the system gets to the bottom pilots it only has unpopular trips on unpopular days - but it still does it's best.

Then, because the system inevitably hasn't covered 99.5% of the work, it unlocks all the rosters and messes then up again to squeeze more work in.... recently this process has been messing up the rosters right the way to the top of the list.

once these processes are all complete the rosters are published. Once that happens it's all but written in stone.

I honestly can't complain. I'm very junior on my fleet (LH, >95% off the top) and even I get some variety. I get most of the days off I need (unless they are weekends but we have 6 "golden days" a year to guarantee days off way in advance for birthdays, anniversaries, weddings etc). I never knew the old system so can't compare but it works well enough for me considering my position as a bottom feeder.

that's not really the promised nutshell... but the bidding system is a type rating all on its own!


Perfect thanks

Phantom4 4th December 2022 13:17

Interview Group and Capacity on one day.
Sim slots released for day two.
Result can be next day and allow for three months notice

kendrick47247 4th December 2022 16:38


Originally Posted by Phantom4 (Post 11342126)
Interview Group and Capacity on one day.
Sim slots released for day two.
Result can be next day and allow for three months notice

Result almost certainly will not be next day.

offer does not necessarily allow for three months notice; request can and have been made to reduce as much as possible

Alrosa 4th December 2022 17:11

So what join dates can candidates be expected to be offered for LHR recruitment? I’d heard on the grapevine no one would be starting before the end of summer 2023 ?

eagle21 6th December 2022 10:35

Rumours of BA Cityflyer joining the BA mainline MSL to allow for a posible order of E195-E2s with over 134 seats (beyond scope agreement) and to address retention issues.

thetimesreader84 6th December 2022 13:12


Originally Posted by eagle21 (Post 11343189)
Rumours of BA Cityflyer joining the BA mainline MSL to allow for a posible order of E195-E2s with over 134 seats (beyond scope agreement) and to address retention issues.

It wouldn't surprise me. It's been on BAs radar for a while, and I think there was a clause in the covid agreement to relax scope to allow CF to get Embraer or C-Series to sell them a jet (the current 195s are a special model only certified for 99 seats to comply with scope extra $$$ on the price).

With Euro Flyer on the MSL, i cant see balpa batting it away forever - expect it to be sold off for an extra 2" on the long haul pre departure sandwiches and lots of "fantastic news! Well done Balpa!" Type posts on the forum.

RogueOne 6th December 2022 15:46

What does the capacity test look like, any tips?

If I remember rightly last I heard it was some ATC instructions you had to retype, maybe some number calculations, and also some systems that needed monitoring..

Any advice here or on PM appreciated.

Thanks,

Phantom4 7th December 2022 17:14

Read the brief slowly,do not skip.
understand your responses required.
do not rush this part.

Phantom4 8th December 2022 15:00

Ability test is same a capacity test.You have a long list of instructions to make the correct input.
Read this carefully,the invigilator will emphasise that once you finish,to sit and wait until everyone has finished.
Someone close to me was last to finish as they had read the instructions slowly and carefully.
Result,positive

Phantom4 8th December 2022 16:32

People telling me they have Feb 23

Standby98 14th December 2022 21:24

Hi, does anyone have any advice for the sim assessment? What to expect? Any comments are greatly appreciated

Phantom4 15th December 2022 08:27

Four hours,two candidates,A-B,B-C divert.
744

CaptainCroft 15th December 2022 08:57

How long did it take from the Interview day till you get an answer for sim dates?

garethkeenan 15th December 2022 11:10


Originally Posted by CaptainCroft (Post 11348197)
How long did it take from the Interview day till you get an answer for sim dates?

Not long at all.

CaptainCroft 15th December 2022 11:33

I just did my interview on the 14th December and no one really mentioned when to expect a result. So just wondering if you know how long it took yours or anyones to get a reply in terms of days.

Phantom4 15th December 2022 13:31

Someone last week,Sim Wednesday,phone call Thursday morning,course March.

Deporflyer 15th December 2022 21:25


Originally Posted by CaptainCroft (Post 11348298)
I just did my interview on the 14th December and no one really mentioned when to expect a result. So just wondering if you know how long it took yours or anyones to get a reply in terms of days.

Hi! Can you please share a light on the assessment process? Type of questions? ETC. Many thanks!

clvf88 15th December 2022 22:22

Does anyone know of any LH offers or is it all 320?


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