Pay deal rejected

Simulator assessment
 

Hey guys! Anyone has any sim prep recommendations? Thank you!

Are lots of crew still leaving Virgin? Or are they waiting for the pay deal?

Does anyone know what the T’s and C’s look like on the new deal? Thanks.

Key highlights

- 750hrs is back but a bit fluffy as to how many and when they will move onto it.

- 30% pay rise over 3 years

- 4 more golden days off

- new scheduling rules (a move in the right direction but still inferior to BA LH. Eg still 2 pilots WOCL 9.5hrs)

- Productivity opt in. Loose all protections and apply just FTL for 10% more.

- no overtime in 14 days of sickness

- overtime rates reduced. Want more money have to opt in to the productivity contract.

Thanks for the info.

VA OR BA anyone in the know would give some advice or recommendations knowing what the new Virgin deal brings?

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Not to get in a BA vs Virgin chat, but that is subjective imo. BA don’t get guaranteed 3 days off after a lot of trips unlike at Virgin. They can have 2 days off after west coast/SA etc. I would like 3 pilots with the same trigger as BA, but I’d rather 2 pilots and 9.5hr flight with 3 days off than 3 pilots with 2 days off.

Personally, I think the new rules are stronger than the scheduling rules prior to covid under the PSA, couple that with a 750 hours contract (that has no reduction in pay) and I think we’re onto a winner and it puts us in a really good position again.

Hoping we can all move away from the toxicity and negativity and get on with our lives now.

Also, overtime rates were not reduced. They just weren’t increased in line with the pay rise.

other things include:

- hugely improved leave rules
- a binding redundancy policy (finally - to precent covid like redundancies occuring out of seniority)
- better sickness policies
- improvements to positioning
- standby callout increased to 3hrs
- options for a commuter roster but yet to be seen how well that will work

Since we changed the rostering system, I find the workload balancing to be far better. Last few months regularly getting 5-7 days off in a row, with about 14-15 days off a month.

Don't shoot the messenger, I've just copied and pasted from elsewhere, probably should've stated that. I work at niether.

3 days off is nice but now way in the world would I trade for 3 pilots and a couple of hours in the bunk. Makes such a differmace to fatigue compared to controlled rest in the seat.

I believe at BA, you can be assigned LH trips including East/West with one day off when you are on reserve. Is this also the case at Virgin, or is it always 3 days off?

You can’t do that at BA, you need minimum 2 days off and if it’s E/W/E or W/E/W pattern it’s 3 days minimum

I'm looking at my mates roster with now ...

East -> 1 Day off -> East -> 1 Day off -> West

Devil in the detail no doubt. What is the breakdown of the 30% and is it basic or variable pay? What does year 1 FO pay look like post pay deal?

Would be good to compare BA and VS on current pay deals.

Looks like ~95% fixed, ~5% variable paid in one annual lump sum in February. Year 1 SFO ~£97k fixed, £5k variable, according to the table.

How is it to pick up flights from days off at Virgin. Is it fleet dependent or is it relatively straightforward. Also is this rumour of the 330neo order to replace the 787 sound solid ?

thanks for the responses just trying to paint a picture as looking at both longhual airlines.

If you’ve genuinely got the choice of both you’d be stark raving bonkers to join Virgin. Just my two cents.

Wait time for lifestyle/part time contract
 

Would anyone know how many years seniority is currently required to get lifestyle/lifestyle+ rosters at Virgin in the RHS?

Could you just elaborate why so? I think there are good things about this new virgin contract and heard being junior on BA longhual can be quite tough.

A colleague had sim assessment last week and the scenario he was given was Loss of Communications followed by Bomb Threat.
He subsequently failed as was hand flying the sim at that time.
Comments please including from the TC who set this scenario who in my humble opinion is unsuitable for this task.