Do we think they will soon go down the route of hiring cadets for FO positions in a MOL style contract?

I hope that’s not what you’re asking for..

BA to rehire 4000 in post Covid splurge.

If they're expecting to hire all on terms that are below or even at pre Covid rates, they're in for a nasty shock. The price of everything is up. People are no longer stupid. Everyone is demanding more. My friends working in Tech are seeing rises of 30-50% Builders are doubling everything and those who worked in hospitality are realising they can make 2-3x more working as pickers at Amazon.

BA's overzealous chopping was false economy. Complete and utter failure of executive greed facilitated by unwise and foolish bean counters.

Being almost 6000 miles away from LGW I've no real feeling for the situation there but in my part of the world despite similar price increases, I see zero evidence of any improvements with any T & Cs being offered in any element of the industry .

Very good points NM but requiring the right to live and work in the UK does not feature in the advert although it burried in a PDF further into the process. Another example of ambiguity.

Try to press the "APPLY" link... The first question after that is exactly if you have the right to live and work in the UK...

Are they going to use the B737 max?

Given the part of the job requirements were a current type rating and experience on the 320, I don't think so

IAG does have a big order for the max. So I guess the answer is possibly, eventually. Maybe.

I stand corrected then 👍

Isnt it just a letter of intent they have?
=/= an order

Honestly I’m not sure, but I think we are splitting hairs. The crappy 320s at Gatwick will need replacing sometime. The answers remains possibly, maybe.

Wasn't the 737Max Letter of Intent just a case of Boeing calling their mates at IAG and asking for a favour whilst the chips were down?

anyone heard anything yet? or will the PFOs come out after the closing date?

MonarchOrBust

They may well feature from 2023-27 when the max LOI deliveries were penciled in. 320s to be disposed of from 2022 (pre covid plans- with presumably the former to replace the latter, but now; who knows).

Rumour is assessments wil be starting before Christmas.

Anyone heard anything back yet?

does anyone know anymore about the T&C’s such as having the ability to transfer to other types/bases after a minimum time spent at LGW?

very little info on this at this stage…

from what I've heard, you'll get a place on the BA MSL with a base freeze of 6 years. So after 6 years you can bid for a job at LHR.
When you change seat/fleet you slide across the payscales at your current level. (Compared to say CX, where you start again from pp1 on the capt scale after a command)
I'm no expert by any means but hope that helps.
WVD

We're 4 months from the Easter get away (covid permitting!). This airline has not even been officially announced as yet. They're going to need to move extremely fast to get everything in place by then.

got my PFO today

yeah , me too , all capital letters 😂

Well, I can see this being real"lo cost" ha ha - mainline (LHR?) crews for who knows how long, mainline everything including the mindset, a cheapo version of the already pretty shabby BA product (oo yes please)!, trying to re-enter a market they already abandoned.
*sarcasm mode off* - it's laughable. I wouldn't give it long. Even Go was an infinitely better concept.

It said in the Daily Telegraph that BA Lgw was never maki g a profit prior to the pandemic, so how low will they have to go to make it so now??
and how long will they give it before abandoning LGW again??

There used to be a PDF/link on this thread with the T&C/salaries, anyone know where it’s gone?

As far as the travelling public will be concerned it won't be any different to BA at Gatwick before the pandemic. It's just lower Ts&Cs for the staff. So, it's not a new concept. But it will have separate management who will be able to choose the most profitable routes, unlike before when LGW just mostly got the routes that weren't profitable to work at LHR.

Are many of the pilots voted out of BA expecting to be joining BA LGW? Are they looking at a significant pay cut? Was the possibility of pilots on higher pay scales taking a community pay cut discussed so these pilots are disadvantaged again?

Latest on the grapevine- Smartlynx out of LGW subbing for BA , once again utilising cheap foreign labour, any surprise not really!!

I did my Master's Degree thesis on the introduction of small regional jets into BA which included looking at the cost base and culture. It decided that they really needed to separate the whole RJ operation off, otherwise it would be loaded with LHR costs, Head Office overhead etc and would never be able to compete. This was in 1991, long before LoCos became a thing. BA flips and flops between making LGW a core site with lots of "waves" of shorthaul feeding longhaul and dropping the whole base because it doesn't make money. I doubt the accounting principles have improved much since my day when shorthaul was loaded with extra costs due to the absorbtion costing method where overheads were added per landing, not per flying hour, making Long Haul seem to be immensely profitable. Short Haul flights were sold in bulk at cheap rates to feed longhaul too.
Of course BA had a proper LoCo in Go!, run by Barbara Cassani, but sold it off to its management and then they sold it for a profit to EasyJet. Typical BA corporate decision making.

If SmartLynx are operating for BA or others from the U.K during 2022, will all the non U.K crew members require work visa's?

I'm not an immigration lawyer, but I think for temporary work on non G reg aircraft they don't need a work visa.
QR wet leased some 320's to BA, their staff didn't have work visas.

Again I'm no immigration lawyer, so could well be wrong

does anyone know someone who was actually invited to assessment for his perceived job opening ? AS FAR AS I CAN SEE, ITS SOME CLEVER PLOY TO HIRE THEIR OWN PEOPLE BACK UNDER WORSE TS AND CS , sorry of the caps, too tired to correct it now, Im not shouting, i just work in an LCC

Everyone i know that applied got a PFO. You have to laugh at the nominated post holder adverts too. All HR smokes and mirrors.

I’ve applied. Never worked there. I’ve not received a PFO yet. I asked when could one expect to find out about being invited for assessment and all I’ve been told is there are many applications that they are still working through and expect to hear back from them soon.

that was over a month ago 🤦🏽‍♂️

18 years in commercial operations, plenty of current command time , over ten k on the bus, never stopped flying through the pandemic, current LPC/OPC and class one without restrictions, under 45 years of age, over 400 hours in the last year, uk passport holder, vaguely foreign sounding name , which should help with the pc brigade and i also was told to PFO, maybe i should've identified as trans or summfink ?

I think the answer, ironically, is in the Wizzair thread. According to one poster, the vast majority of available positions have been filled by internal transfers, and the the various BA holding pools set up after BA made some pilots redundant, and put the 747 out of commission.

yes, thats what i thought in all honesty, or suspected rather, I wasn't aware how many people were put in from internal transfer, numbers etc and I'm guessing by the law of the land, they must advertise the position to make it a fair competition, at least on paper, even if the result is well known in advance. oh well it would've been good to get back to blighty...even if it is Laaandon Gatters....some day maybe eh ?

Guys/girls,

They pretty much had the airline filled barely halfway down the PRP list (e.g the list of 249 folk they sacked last year).

If there is any external recruitment it will be an absolute trickle to tick some HR box somewhere.

T's and C's are dire in in the context of what your colleagues are on to fly the same jets up the road but sadly as you've still got tens of thousands unemployed or on zero hours etc who would jump at it they aren't going to improve (ever, your BACC will see to that)

Cheers,

(Ex BA)

Perhaps the unemployed could find work elsewhere in other industries, then BA will have to improve the terms to attract the talent. People need to say NO to these companies offering poor terms and no retirement.

Whilst I don’t disagree, and know of people made redundant from airline X, Y and Z that have indeed turned down airline jobs offering what they consider to be unacceptable conditions, I also see the law of supply and demand at work.

Unfortunately COVID has turned the industry upside down, and most pilots have suffered. I’m therefore not surprised that BA have apparently had no issue crewing the new set up at Gatwick.

Happy for you to take the lead on this one if you’d like. Personally, I’ll wait until my former airline takes me back as redundancy due to LIFO isn’t worth a career change IMHO.