Bluff and bluster from Walsh. BA’s intransigence in the negotiations so far is all because they have been told by IAG that there’s no more money available. Willie is driving this, not Cruz. Cruz is basically already gone, they just won’t announce it during a dispute.

Perhaps Cruz and Walsh should read the articles on Hays Travel and reflect on how well the Hays family have done , and how they value and reward their staff.

I know nothing other than ACAS has made a proposal and both sides have retired to consider it. Supposedly something Friday. Hopefully we can move forward onto issues which really affect us more.

Hardly Mr Rutter?

BA not prepared to re instate staff travel privileges to those 600 who went on strike until end next year.
unless BALPA resolves this,they will never get people to strike again.Clever move by BA.
wise up BALPA

Would like to add that’s not actually confirmed as of 16:52 November 1st but yes, thats certainly what it looks like.

Wait for what? The momentum that we had is lost and BALPA has shown its hand to BA. It’s clear the BACC doesn’t want to strike anymore and even if we vote this deal down, by the time we get a vote, the vote comes out and BALPA presents it, our mandate will have probably ran out. It’s clear that strikers are being thrown under the bus, just to get the exact same deal we already turned down! With the only change that we have now also lost our staff travel for a year. Good going.

Balpa has given up, not us. I have taken action but now because of their weakness, I’m left to choose between accepting a !!!! paydeal, having essentially gone on strike for nothing, but atleast getting staff travel back in a year. Or voting it down, risking that BA takes the entire deal of the table, and gaining absolutely nothing, but losing one of the main perks of working at BA for 3 years. I don’t really see any longterm advantages here.

Please allow me to offer an alternative possibility to BA pilots?

In another place, someone said about the previous USSR, “they used to pretend to pay us, and we used to pretend to work.”

What an interesting concept?

If you catch my drift?

CEOs don’t fly customers!

Let’s look where we came from. 1 year pay deal 2.3% and nothing else. We now have what I would say is a fair pay offer. I do not know of anyone else getting a deal like ours. 8.5% (including the sign on bonus) increase in January with 4% of that back dated to January 19. Add your incremental pay to that in the year and it’s roughly 10%!!!

The other elements have seen improvement too. Ok not industry leading but still a improvement. Flight pay plus 10%, TAFB, pension etc etc. Duty rig improvement, RPI protection of some sort at least.

I do not see continuing strikes achieving anything. The issues we face and complain about are not pay, let’s accept the pay deal and then open up discussions separately regarding the real issues that matter. Rostering, fatigue, pilot establishment, report times after leave for example.

Hopefully those who took action get their staff travel back but hands up we all knew what we were doing when, if we decided to take action. The one thing I really do think needs to be sorted is the level of deductions levelled at those who took action.

Who knows, if the election goes the wrong way we may need this extra money just to pay more tax........there are bigger problems out there than a 8.5% pay rise.