That is indeed an utter disgrace. I've just started a job in the quality department (non-managerial) of an aviation service provider, working 37 hours a week Monday to Friday, every single weekend and public holiday off, 6 weeks of paid vacation and 10% pension contribution from the company. The initial offer was north of that quoted above, and that was just setting the basis for negotiations. The requirement to do my job? No formal skills, only experience. Taking command of a commercial jetliner in Europe for less than 10K a month is, frankly, devaluing yourself to the point airline management must be pissing themselves laughing. And yet, you do, more and more every day, all whilst bitching and moaning and doing sod all about it. But thus is the nature of an airline pilot; mainly driven by self-interest, short sighted and willing to step on a fellow pilot to get an advantage whilst complaining about the ever eroding terms and conditions.

Well, there's only one answer to that: Toughen up ladies, stop posting drivel on PPRUNE and start actually doing something. Like withdrawing your labour in a collective fashion, across borders, companies and legislations. Alternatively you could or just accept that the days driving an airborne bus was a gold paved avenue to a life of near-leisure are gone, never to return, and that it has been replaced with ever increasing work for ever decreasing renumeration.

Blame the old sods on the top of the seniority ladder, who've fettered their nest and paid nothing but lip service to those on the lower rungs, particularly the new entrants.

Still nobody here starting on 2ndDec?

I feel sorry for everyone starting there. You are selling your souls to the devil. Maybe you feel that you have no choice, but that's rarely the case. Don't say you haven't been warned. You are joining a terrible company.

My thoughts exactly. When i lost my job back in March i didn't even look at Euroland: moved with the family to Asia for top dollar, and id travel. Work is still hard, though...

Because you had a family ready and willing to move. That might not be the case for everybody. Reality is not black or white, top managers know this well and they play the "see how low we can go" game.

Nobody should ever consider joining this slave-labour outfit. But some will, simply to try and repay their training loans, or parents. On their pay scales, this will not be possible. It makes one wonder what grade of commercial pilot would find the need to work for such small remuneration.

My only recourse personally is never to choose to fly with this outfit. That is a given for me. I will not explain, as their lawyers will pursue anyone who makes insinuations on issues unfavourable to this airline and those partnered with it. Go figure..

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Adverts/Memo's were sent to pilots offering them the opportunity to jump across, subject to paying for an airbus rating, personally I have not heard of any that took the offer up.

The new chief pilot at Lauda is an ex-regional base captain at Ryanair, so at least one has gone across!

Understatement of the month.

A320 TR for RYR pilots is bonded 15k/3y, no upfront payment, no salary deductions.

Speaking about the payment, it depends also on how Austria is taxing the base salary and then block hours. Some counties have several layers of taxation. Let's wait for someone from Lauda, maybe the picture could be clearer

I have seen a Lauda (crewlink) contract for a Captain(!) position. The all in gross salary (before tax) was just under 73k a year. The roster pattern was 5 on, 3 off / 5 on 2 off.

I have a friend who is a Captain in Ryanair who makes more than double that amount (according to him, not seen his contract or pay slips) on a 5/4 roster.

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TR 11th Nov
 

Anyone here starting the TR on 11th of November?

Low cost of RYA. I think that says it all ....

Employment
 

Employed via agency, then contracted to Lauda. Fortunately no LTDs or other forms of self-employment like in RYR.

so funny here , to read negative comments.
But the truth is (what Booze does not even mention huh?) : to move in asia, first, you need experience. For a young pilot , Lauda seems great option. and a good steptone to move anywhere else then you want.
Many airlines, (emirates, asia, etc....) require at least hours on a plane more than 20t MTOM. To get this experience, the only way is to fly airbus or boeing at whatever cost.
Even if I was paid minimum wage on airbus I would run. Because that's the ONLY way to get experience and to bet for a better future.

Oh and by the way, I have been FI, really guys, you fly everyday, 5 to 6 hours, having 4 or 5 students each day, to repeat again and again the same boring stuff. You get really tired. No air conditioning on board, not enough room, small plane, and flying !!!!ty hours that ailrines do not even take into consideration. THIS is hard work compared to any low cost, which is a piece of cake when you had known harder job before. Conclusion, stop seeing the glass half empty, and get to work, stop complaining. Work and move then. It is like politics, don't expect anything from them, just be pro active and make your own path.
My 2 cents.

I am a (not so much) young pilot and I totally disagree with your statement. Lauda is just another attempt to lower current and future T&C in Europe.

sorry
ok thanks for the remark

Did anyone receive any email for an interview in the last part of November? I applied at the end of July for the first officer position non Type-rated and I'm looking for some informations about the company and the assessment. Thank you!

Spot on. Laudamotion is Ryanairs attempt to undercut its own conditions. Why should you have any trust in a a management that does not honor the collective agreement of their airline, puny as it may be, but rather chooses to hire contract pilots to evade their own collective agreement?

They are not negative comments but the truth. You complain FI job isnt easy and how the airline job is a piece of cake.
Unfortunately , it is because of people like you and the statement you just gave that airlines are able to exploit the pilots for lower conditions.

Seeing Ryanair or Lauda, or any Low cost operator as a gateway airline is just pure wrong. There shouldn’t be any difference. But there is, because people are willing to do anything to get that first job, and possibly fly for free ( judging by previous Pay to fly schemes when there was no jobs)

But from my experience, I see people like you that join, so so enthusiastic , positive, but then soon after they realise this is not what they hoped it was, so they soon turn to a negative side.. I see it every day of the week.. Endless moaning, but hey, they didnt think that when they signed up.. All they wanted to fly
When you do join one of those airlines, you will see for yourself, and especially how much easier FI job was.... Its not all pressing buttons and sitting in A/C environment

That's precisely my observation too - the ones who fast-track themselves by parting with large sums of cash or accepting unattractive initial terms, and/or see the airline role as a tradable commodity to be bought and sold; - an instagrammable experience ... are the ones who before long, are bitterly whingeing - the "I've paid all this money into this job, now where's my payback" philosophy - well it doesn't work like that. (Edit, well actually it kind of does if you want it to - fast-tracking yourself into an AB or Boeing, pocketing 1000+ hours and poking off somewhere else - fine, but don't bloody whine to all who'll listen that you've been cheated - you got what you "paid" for).

That said, I hear there are some factors with joining Lauda which are much better than Ryanair, such as much fewer up front, out of pocket costs such as uniform, licensing etc etc, and of course a much more desirable Airbus rating As for the rest of the lauda contract, I don't know, but Vienna or Palma would beat kaunas in my book.

Anyone as a actual figure for take home net pay in PMI for captains.The gross salary all included is advertised as 109.000 Euro for 70 hours month.
Anyone with real time experience?

I' m not considering anything just curious to know how much that equates in terms of net salary in Spain. Anyone?

Depends on many factors, also on where you actually pay your taxes, but in Spain with that sort of salary you'd be looking at around 40% tax, leaving you with around 65K net.

The figure I' m given is the total of basic and flight pay for 70 hours . Is flight pay taxed as basic salary is ?

Even if you're based in Spain Lauda will make you pay your taxes in Austria (where the tax rate is even higher, at 50%)

No..not anymore..tax are paid in Spain..and the contract is now Spanish..