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Originally Posted by Newcomer2
(Post 10563425)
And the unions doing...nothing CP |
Well, the unions in Ryanair could obviously call for a strike to prevent the company from transfering their flights to their other airlines. That has already been done elsewhere in Europe. The problem is that the unions in Ryanair don't seem to be working together. Some strike in august, some in September,...you get my point: easy for the company to cover the strikes by sending people from other bases to cover them. Now if all the unions in ryanair, from every country, were calling for a single common strike to stop the development of Laudamotion/Buzz/Malta air at the expense of the Ryanair employees who have better conditions, then maybe things would change a little. |
Unfortunately it’s illegal in most countries to coordinate a strike across different territories, so the unions hands are tied in that respect |
Is it illegal for management to coordinate the cancelled flight?
Last time, Lauda Motion crew were the strikebreaker for Ryanair. Disgraceful. |
Good evening! Anyone joined Lauda recently ore have more info about TR with them? They’re offering PMI and VIE base.. the salary seems to be very very low.. |
Originally Posted by Sky17_
(Post 10565113)
Good evening! Anyone joined Lauda recently ore have more info about TR with them? They’re offering PMI and VIE base.. the salary seems to be very very low.. Indeed, all (RYR) pilot unions should work together and organise a pan European strike, if needed lasting several days in a row. Only than you will get things moving. look at what happens today: because almost every BA pilot is member of the SAME union, they can organize a big massive strik and almost the complete fleet is grounded. That will give big disruption for the passengers and will hit the management hard. They will have to listen! E.C. |
Originally Posted by Sky17_
(Post 10565113)
Good evening! Anyone joined Lauda recently ore have more info about TR with them? They’re offering PMI and VIE base.. the salary seems to be very very low.. |
Originally Posted by UAV689
(Post 10565509)
The salary is low!! Its the low cost arm of the low cost Ryanair!! The pmi base salary takes 8 years to earn what a ryr “mainline” capt earns.... |
Thanks for answering.. the attractive part is that they’re “offering” (bond) the Type rating and if you’re staying with them more than 3 year is.. let’s say “for free”! But comparing to Ryan and other companies, the salary is very low.. 2500€/net for an experienced First Officer is really nothing. |
A bond is not free.
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Originally Posted by Joe le Taxi
(Post 10425766)
Oh gawd. You've been at easyjet too long already. ;-)
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Hey !
Anyone here was called for the Lauda screening ? Thx |
Originally Posted by 737ng_x
(Post 10567188)
Hey !
Anyone here was called for the Lauda screening ? Thx A friend of mine has been invited.. seems to be same screening as Ryanair.. |
Anybody know the terms and conditions?
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Terms & Conditions Overview
Roster:
5 early / 2 off / 5 late / 3 off. What is early and what is late is not defined, but expect "early" to be a start some time between 3am and noon and "late" a check-out between 9pm and 2am. The schedule is unstable. Typical rosters contain a lot of STBY duties. If you do not achieve 850 block hours, the company can take you out of this pattern and roster you on a flexible basis. Confirmed rosters are published on Fri for the next week and every duty is subject to change to another one of the same type (early/late) until you check in. At the moment, flight crews get 35 days vacation, which can (theoretically) be requested also on short notice on any duty day. The company prefers you to take vacation during the winter. If you reach 850hrs, you are expected to use up your annual leave thereafter. Salary: Entry level FO: 3.200EUR / CPT: 6.300EUR / month "guaranteed" gross (Includes 35 block hours). If you fly more, you will receive additional scheduled block hour pay - up to 70hrs that is 18EUR/h for FOs and 31EUR/h for CPTs gross, thereafter the block hour rate increases. If you are not a training captain, expect about 60hrs/month. Pilots, that come with experience on aircraft with a MTOW above 19.5T can join on a higher salary level. Each 1.000hrs on such aircraft types count as 1 year. The complete pay scale can be found in the original CLA under paragraph 7. The guaranteed monthly gross salary is listed under 7.5, the block hour pay under 7.2. Google "Kollektivvertrag Laudamotion" to find it. Contract: Training contract with training pay (Level 1 without block hour pay or daily allowances, if off-base) until the final line check, thereafter you get assigned to a base and receive the permanent contract. The training base is typically VIE. Overall the morale in the company is low. Recently there have been quite a few terminations of senior / long-term staff. |
Sounds like a great place to work....said nobody ever!!
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18 euro/h? Cabby driver makes even more!
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Originally Posted by polskiland
(Post 10567447)
18 euro/h? Cabby driver makes even more!
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Originally Posted by crj_z2
(Post 10567324)
Roster:
5 early / 2 off / 5 late / 3 off. What is early and what is late is not defined, but expect "early" to be a start some time between 3am and noon and "late" a check-out between 9pm and 2am. The schedule is unstable. Typical rosters contain a lot of STBY duties. If you do not achieve 850 block hours, the company can take you out of this pattern and roster you on a flexible basis. Confirmed rosters are published on Fri for the next week and every duty is subject to change to another one of the same type (early/late) until you check in. At the moment, flight crews get 35 days vacation, which can (theoretically) be requested also on short notice on any duty day. The company prefers you to take vacation during the winter. If you reach 850hrs, you are expected to use up your annual leave thereafter. Salary: Entry level FO: 3.200EUR / CPT: 6.300EUR / month "guaranteed" gross (Includes 35 block hours). If you fly more, you will receive additional scheduled block hour pay - up to 70hrs that is 18EUR/h for FOs and 31EUR/h for CPTs gross, thereafter the block hour rate increases. If you are not a training captain, expect about 60hrs/month. Pilots, that come with experience on aircraft with a MTOW above 19.5T can join on a higher salary level. Each 1.000hrs on such aircraft types count as 1 year. The complete pay scale can be found in the original CLA under paragraph 7. The guaranteed monthly gross salary is listed under 7.5, the block hour pay under 7.2. Google "Kollektivvertrag Laudamotion" to find it. Contract: Training contract with training pay (Level 1 without block hour pay or daily allowances, if off-base) until the final line check, thereafter you get assigned to a base and receive the permanent contract. The training base is typically VIE. Overall the morale in the company is low. Recently there have been quite a few terminations of senior / long-term staff. CP |
Originally Posted by EAM
(Post 10567659)
On top of a 3200€ basic salary, not bad, which city is that?
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Almost sounds like a joke but in fact it's not...
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Originally Posted by EAM
(Post 10567659)
On top of a 3200€ basic salary, not bad, which city is that?
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CRJ_z2 post is great, so I’ll also share my info extracted from a Laudamotion pdf. PMI (Palma de Mallorca) base, direct entry FO, A320 rated. All amounts are gross. Year 1: 2300€ Year 2 to 4: 2700€ Year 5 to 7: 3200€ As of year 8: 3500€ Blockhour payment, numbers are gross: 1-70: 18€ 71-90: 35€ from 91: 71€ Miscellaneous allowances, numbers are gross per operating day: TRI 200€ course-trainer 134€ Office day 134€ 13th and 14th salary (payable June and November) Basic salary + 1250€ ——————————————— Vacation: 35 calendar days per year 110 OFF days at homebase per year. MAR to MAY: minimum 9 OFF days JUN to OCT: minimum 8 OFF days NOV to FEB minimum 10 OFF days Roster: Published monthly on the 21st of the prior month Flexible roster Mostly point to point operation |
Originally Posted by polskiland
(Post 10568097)
Eh, in every bigger western city? Plus it's gross - but hey you should apply I think Laudamotion is the perfect fit for you!
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Originally Posted by EAM
(Post 10568190)
Ahh, so a cab driver gets it net, that would mean he makes more than 5k net a month, fu.ck man, of course I would apply for that.
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Is the pilot paying to fuel the plane? You're all comparing apples to oranges and it's getting ridiculous to be honest. |
As far I understood if you apply for PMI your salary will be taxed in AU and the social part in Spain. So considering 3800€ Gross (basic group year 2 + block of 50/55hrs) and simulating all tax and social in Au, the NET will be around 2500€. In Spain the social/health part should be lower compared to the AU one, so I think we can consider a net of 2700/2800€ PMI 50/55 hrs (joining on the second year contract). Around 3100€ if you fly 75hrs. |
Around 3100€ if you fly 75hrs |
Originally Posted by OutsideCAS
(Post 10568470)
Not particularly great IMHO.
For a NTR can be a way to start with 320 without anticipating €. |
Well that is just a terrible deal, needs to be double that at a minimum!
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Well, you can fly a 777 for less. ;-)
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They are talking about 150 block hours required ? Is it Type (Airbus) Hours or general time ?
Thanks ! |
Originally Posted by 737ng_x
(Post 10568833)
They are talking about 150 block hours required ? Is it Type (Airbus) Hours or general time ?
Thanks ! |
They should ad a DE ...LaudaDEmotion |
Well, its quite simple: If you get a job at your home and dont have any option you stay, even with these crap t&c´s. I did it myself. If you accept to work for peanuts you have also to accept being treated like a monkey. It will never ever change, and RYR knows this. Just wait and see how they will succeed in future, they know their business and LM crews are perfect batteries for their toys. Everybody gets what he earns, this works in both sides :)
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Originally Posted by austrian71
(Post 10569308)
Well, its quite simple: If you get a job at your home and dont have any option you stay, even with these crap t&c´s. I did it myself. If you accept to work for peanuts you have also to accept being treated like a monkey. It will never ever change, and RYR knows this. Just wait and see how they will succeed in future, they know their business and LM crews are perfect batteries for their toys. Everybody gets what he earns, this works in both sides :)
What about the environment in the company? Colleagues? Average monthly hours in both PMI and VIE? |
Originally Posted by Sky17_
(Post 10569578)
I agree with you... If you’re at home the conditions are OK, if you need to go out to earn 1000€ more it’s the same.. What about the environment in the company? Colleagues? Average monthly hours in both PMI and VIE? The environment: The company appears to grow - people are being sent to OCC and type rating courses and there are a few more deliveries due. So there are definitely opportunities. So much for the bright side. It was recently announced, that, if the flight crews @VIE would not accept a new "base agreement", 30 pilot jobs @ VIE would be cut and 4 B737s from RYR would take over some routes. As austrian71 noted, people accept certain things for preserving not only their own, but also their colleague's jobs at home - which is perfectly understandable in a way. After the agreement was signed, not 30, but still several people were terminated by the management anyway. It appears, that "trust" may therefor not be the correct word to describe the environment at the moment. Hours at the VIE base: Average 60/month - I am not familiar with PMI/STR/DUS rosters. |
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Just for info, what would be the take home pay (NET salary) for a Captain under the new conditions for 60h?
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Originally Posted by 74world
(Post 10569994)
Just for info, what would be the take home pay (NET salary) for a Captain under the new conditions for 60h?
But to answer your question, the salary in Vienna is a little bit higher than in Palma, but it's still a disgrace: Year 1 for a Captain: 5182 basic (gross) + 60x31.15 flight pay = 7051 euros gross After the taxes in Austria, probably around 3800 net |
translation of the collective agreement valid in VIE:
https://translate.google.com/transla...ng%3Fd%3DTouch gross/net calculator for austria. just fill in the gross amount you want to calculate, add 360€ as income tax free and there you go. all other options are negligible. https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=&sl=de&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fonlinerechner.haud e.at%2Fbmf%2Fbrutto-netto-rechner.html edit: 7051€ from one post above is about 4250€ net 12 times a year + extra holiday bonus in june 5500€ + extra christmas bonus 6000€ in november so if you convert 14 payments to 12 months you'll earn 5200€/m |
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