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Johnny F@rt Pants 30th May 2019 20:06

Chances of getting BFS base - not sure, but Jet2 have a habit of getting people to where they want to be ASAP.

How many years to Command - you need a minimum of 3000 hours (factorised). Dependent on your base this will take you another 2-4 years. You must also be capable of jumping through the necessary hoops, hoops that you are trained to jump through before you face them.

Interesting day out with the training department - I hope so, I always try to make it interesting:}. Being one of the Trainers I would say no, but I’m biased, some people might think so, but it usually them that makes our lives interesting rather than the other way round, they like to blame us though.

Byrne11 30th May 2019 21:04

Is that 3000 hours at the company?

Ah I’m speaking to the right man then! Haha

Johnny F@rt Pants 30th May 2019 21:37


Is that 3000 hours at the company
No, that’s 3000 factorised hours total time. That’s why I reckoned it’d take you another 2-4 years assuming that you have done 2 years already at Valdermort Airlines.

gliderone 31st May 2019 07:39



I’ve seen both sides of your particular coin and I can genuinely say I wouldn’t look back. The standards are generally a bit higher at Jet2 but if you actually do some reading, learn the stuff and have a positive attitude you can get on extremely well here. The training for myself has always been very positive, constructive and I’ve personally not had any issues. Hope that helps!

Byrne11 1st June 2019 18:53


Originally Posted by Johnny F@rt Pants (Post 10483028)


No, that’s 3000 factorised hours total time. That’s why I reckoned it’d take you another 2-4 years assuming that you have done 2 years already at Valdermort Airlines.

Ahhh i see! Thanks. Is the 757 still an option these days or is it 737 only now for new joiners? fulfil the boyhood dream.

A bit of thinking to do I think.

whitemonk 1st June 2019 20:25

757 is an option for new joiners in theory, but not the right option for you in my opinion.

By your comments you would join with less than 2000 factored hours - the money here is poor as an FO until you get your third stripe.
Flying less than 500 hours a year means you are at least 3 years away from even applying for command, at which point the 757 fleet will be at least 30% smaller, likely only 1 or 2 years left by then, with everyone who is already here ahead of you in the que for the LHS.

Not to mention the training department are not going to entertain running a full type rating course for a TR 737 FO when they can just put them on an OCC.
Direct entry captain is a different story, hold your nerve and you may get your fleet of choice.

Overall the company is in a good position and a good place to be.

Johnny F@rt Pants 1st June 2019 23:02

Ditto what Whitemonk has said.

The 757 is an option, however

1 - it is MAN base only, so your move to BFS wouldn’t be an option.

2 - you questioned about time to command, the B757 pilots generally do 3-400 hours per year max, therefore your time to command would be extended.

3 - why would you do a type rating to join a fleet that will be gone in a few years, and then have to do another type rating, we all know that doing type ratings is a pain in the butt.

In my opinion, forget your boyhood dream, it’s just another tin can doing 500mph at 30odd thousand feet, join and join the B737 fleet.

BluSdUp 2nd June 2019 12:13

Johnny
Love Your observations on training provided.
And
I sure as !!!! hope you lot are better then the other!
Were 3 stripes is mandatory at 500hrs.
So now a poor Cpt have no clue anymore if Jr has 501 hr or 5001, charming.

Newcomer2 2nd June 2019 12:24

Johnny, do you know if you're still hiring DECs for Spanish bases?

Johnny F@rt Pants 2nd June 2019 15:18


Johnny, do you know if you're still hiring DECs for Spanish bases?
​​​​​​​I don’t know what bases require recruitment I’m afraid. You could always call and ask, we’re friendly like that.

Newcomer2 2nd June 2019 15:54


Originally Posted by Johnny F@rt Pants (Post 10484863)


I don’t know what bases require recruitment I’m afraid. You could always call and ask, we’re friendly like that.

:ok:

Thank you!

Byrne11 2nd June 2019 20:34


Originally Posted by Johnny F@rt Pants (Post 10484454)
Ditto what Whitemonk has said.

The 757 is an option, however

1 - it is MAN base only, so your move to BFS wouldn’t be an option.

2 - you questioned about time to command, the B757 pilots generally do 3-400 hours per year max, therefore your time to command would be extended.

3 - why would you do a type rating to join a fleet that will be gone in a few years, and then have to do another type rating, we all know that doing type ratings is a pain in the butt.

In my opinion, forget your boyhood dream, it’s just another tin can doing 500mph at 30odd thousand feet, join and join the B737 fleet.

I live in MAN now. Bought a house here so I’m pretty settled, I’d be happy to stay here another few years before BFS. Just long term I’d like to go back home with some security, my airline tend to pull in and out of Belfast when they fall out doesn’t offer much security.

Hence why I asked about the 757, as If I go to Jet2 I doubt I’ll ever fly anything else than a 738 in Europe wouldn’t mind trying something else in my career even for a 1/2 years .

Also, how does Command work at Jet2, is it back to Leeds for a bit? I’ll have just over 2000 hours by the time I got in, so pretty close to Command here but happy to delay it for a bit if it meant avoiding going tic Paphos Italy or somewhere else for an unknown amount of time.

I remember when I joined my company I thought I’d never contemplate Jet2, as it’s the same stuff essentially but just seems a bit nicer with better pay and free parking! And no four sectors from what I know.

GE115b 2nd June 2019 21:09

I appreciate why you want to move back to BFS and Jet2 sounds like a nice little number too.

However, few points worth thinking about!

Jet2 is a bucket and spade company. Most holiday companies don’t do too well during down turns and anyone who thinks otherwise is in denial. I remember people at Jet2 were put on to 75% contracts and worse during the last recession. I would also say the outlying bases at Jet2 would be more ripe for the cull in such a scenario. Something worth thinking about.

If you are desperate to get back to BFS, why not look at EZY? Much more established at BFS and a much more secure company. It might cost you more to go to EZY, but I think it would pay off in the long run.

Johnny F@rt Pants 3rd June 2019 06:57


I remember people at Jet2 were put on to 75% contracts and worse during the last recession.
Who told you that? I have worked here for almost 16 years now and that’s the first I have heard of it. I think someone is pulling your whizzer. The only base they have closed was STN back in the days when Jet2 didn’t operate from there and it was Jet2 that they wanted to concentrate on rather than the cargo and ad hoc charter market from STN. All other bases have remained in situ throughout the previous recessions.

As for your analogy of bucket bucket and spade not working well during a downturn, can I remind you that we seem to have evolved and would respectfully suggest that all holiday companies and airlines suffer during downturns. Having said that the Dart Group has NEVER made a loss.

I agree that EZY is well established, but Jet2 have been operating out of BFS for 15 years now, so they are hardly a newbie.

flyboy146 3rd June 2019 07:55

Thoughts on the Bristol Base Rumour?

Byrne11 3rd June 2019 13:55


Originally Posted by GE115b (Post 10485045)
I appreciate why you want to move back to BFS and Jet2 sounds like a nice little number too.

However, few points worth thinking about!

Jet2 is a bucket and spade company. Most holiday companies don’t do too well during down turns and anyone who thinks otherwise is in denial. I remember people at Jet2 were put on to 75% contracts and worse during the last recession. I would also say the outlying bases at Jet2 would be more ripe for the cull in such a scenario. Something worth thinking about.

If you are desperate to get back to BFS, why not look at EZY? Much more established at BFS and a much more secure company. It might cost you more to go to EZY, but I think it would pay off in the long run.

I fly a Boeing being the largest issue with EZY. Followed by it would take a very long time to get command in BFS, probably having to go to Gatwick for a few years. I’d rather avoid that. Up North, is similar enough to Northern Ireland. I wouldn’t say I’m desperate to get back to BFS, but long term going where I’ll be going into my 30s, I’d like some safety to return home knowing the base isn’t closing, and it’ll be an over night thing.

whitemonk 24th July 2019 14:18

Profit Share announced for July 2019
 
Captains £8500
SFO £5600
FO £5000

Before tax obviously but not a bad start for the inaugural year :ok:

duncanidaho50 1st August 2019 14:08

Hi guys,

A few questions I have, as I am wanting to join Jet2 quit badly now, lol

If I join at Palma base as a FO, how long till I get a command assessment/ I become a captain if I already have the 3000factorized hours? (I will have them after 1 summer there).

I heard SFO in Palma is 2000 factorized hours, any idea what the pay is? I heard it goes from 61.000Euro to 81000€ but no one can confirm this.

Thanks

zerotohero 1st August 2019 23:28


Originally Posted by Joe le Taxi (Post 10526986)
Nice - but a very tax INefficient way of giving employees a stake in the company's success, especially for Captains (decimated down to about £3000 after tax and NI at the marginal 62%). It's a great pity there's only really easyJet who go in for a share save scheme afaiaa

£3000 after tax is a bit low. I retain about 65% of my gross figure once it gets to net so £8500 was about £5500 extra. Not bad really.

Too Few Stripes 2nd August 2019 11:32

Could be worse! Marginal tax rate for Captains bonus in Scotland is 63.5%


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