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Anybody able to shed any light on the rumours of the operation getting delayed, possibly due to aircraft delivery delays?
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Primera's first 321LR completed maiden flight today.
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anybody willing to share his experience from OCC?
would appreciate if you contact me to give some infos before i start.. Thanks ! |
Originally Posted by CaptainProp
(Post 10037685)
Primera's first 321LR completed maiden flight today.
How do you know that? |
News release both from airbus and Primera.
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Reading elsewhere on forums that they are cancelling some previously announced new routes and pulling back on frequencies on others.
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How are things progressing from a pilot perspective? Anyone joining, quitting, applying?
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First airbus handover in about a month.
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Refreshing thread. First airbus delivered.
https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news/66289-primera-air-scandinavia-adds-first-a321neo 30 more 321s and 737s to follow. http://newsroom.aviator.aero/primera-air-plans-to-set-up-more-bases-and-fly-eastward/ CP |
Any news here? Just did a random check for flight STN-EWR return in premium and got offer for £931. Not bad actually! CP |
Originally Posted by CaptainProp
(Post 10145729)
Any news here? Just did a random check for flight STN-EWR return in premium and got offer for £931. Not bad actually! CP |
Amazing the way you people chase around bottom feeder jobs.You are killing your own industry but clearly cant see what you are doing
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Originally Posted by SpGo
(Post 10145794)
Quite expensive actually, BA has many premium returns for 650. Amazing the way you people chase around bottom feeder jobs.You are killing your own industry but clearly cant see what you are doing CP |
Originally Posted by RudderTrimZero
(Post 10146293)
One man's bottom feeder job can be another's perfect job. It depends on circumstances. As part of your conclusion, what else do you consider above money? Location/base? (i.e. a job that doesn't require you to commute or move house). Opportunity? (maybe a chance to get involved in something your previous airline didn't let you due seniority). A different kind of flying experience? (flying ETOPS A321 is pretty unique after all). If all these things line up they are surely more valuable than an additional €500 (€300 after tax) per month!
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Originally Posted by RudderTrimZero
(Post 10146634)
You're being foolish FlyTCI. Stop picking on little points I mentioned above and acting like you know this industry and every persons situation in extreme detail. I may just have been around in this industry as much as you. Primera is no BA, Lufthansa or Air France - we all know that. But precedence for the future was set a long time ago. Nothing anyone can do about that now. The irony is that a lot of people employed by Primera today come from a top 4 or 5 paying employer that went bankrupt last year.
1000s of euros a month? you are funny! :ok: No one would join (in the current recruitment climate) if that was really the case. If you want to talk further, PM me. My beef with your post was based on the fact that one should be happy with a lower salary etc just because you gain new experience. I am no happier knowing that I do EDTO in a 737 (BBJ). What makes me happy is that, I would guess, I am pretty close to top of the food chain compared to most EU gigs when it comes to pay and time off aloowing me a good QOL. Granted my employer isn’t from the EU but does allow me to live in Europe. Not bragging, just saying what matters more to me than an added line to my CV. So what if a bunch of spikey haired, young punks agreed to start paying for their types some 15-20 years ago and the industry started to take advantage of that? Why do we have to allow that precedence to continue to erode our conditions? In case you haven’t noticed, hiring is as good as it’s probably ever going to be in Euroland and the ball has shifted into our court. If we don’t take advantage of that as a group now then we have nobody but ourselves to blame for being taken advantage off. Change has to start somewhere, so why not today? Look at what is currently happening in the US job market. A few years ago guys flying regional jets were slaving at $18-20k a year, now first year pay has at least doubled in a short matter of time. Not to speak about the big boys and the vast improvement to their contracts over the last couple of years. The pilots have the ace in their hands and they use it to better there hands even further. We can’t the same thing happen in Europe, even if to a lesser extent as the shortage is not as acute in Europe? If you are happy where you are, then I’m happy for you. I just wish pilots in Europe could gather together and use their collective strength to better the conditions we work under. |
Where to work and for what t&cs is always a very personal question, but one thing is for sure, life is certainly not all about money. I have never applied to Primera, and have therefore never been sent the actual t&cs, but from what I hear easyjet is probably the only airline taking DEC in Europe that can compete with the pay in Primera (UK).
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Birmingham Airport has said it is disappointed to confirm that Primera Air will temporarily suspend flights to New York and Toronto from June 21 due the ongoing late delivery of its long-haul A321neo aircraft from Airbus. In a press release the airport said that Primera Air has confirmed that it plans to reinstate transatlantic services next year once the aircraft are available and that this announcement does not affect Primera Air’s short haul services in operation from Birmingham. It added that since launching New York services last month, load factors have been positive, averaging 70%. This reinforces our knowledge that the demand for flights between Birmingham and North America is strong, with a market size already using Birmingham of more than 130,000 passengers. The carrier says it is contacting all customers booked on services from June 21 to give refunds or transfer onto other services. Flights to Toronto were due to start on June 26. Affected customers can contact Primera Air at [email protected] or call +44 (0) 148 223 5180. If customers have pre-booked car parking from Birmingham, a full refund will be given by contacting [email protected]. CP |
Yes, delays mainly due to the Leap engine manufacturer and some tech issues in the tail and they can't get the ACMI over the summer to cover the operation. Real question is it just an delay or an excuse to scrap long haul together out of BHX to focus on STN/CDG due to load factors? |
Interesting, wasn’t aware of that. CP |
B737vsA321
Are the salaries between b737 and A321 fleets the same??
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Originally Posted by crisp2
(Post 10165687)
Yes, delays mainly due to the Leap engine manufacturer and some tech issues in the tail and they can't get the ACMI over the summer to cover the operation. Real question is it just an delay or an excuse to scrap long haul together out of BHX to focus on STN/CDG due to load factors? |
Crew being let go of? Can’t imagine that but this business keeps surprising me so who knows. CP |
Why anyone would work for £800 / month is beyond me. If true, why don’t they just go and work for another airline that’s paying decent salaries? CP |
Knowing those who own and manage this "airline" nothing will surprise me.
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I just received an email from ASTA/Mountain high if I would be interested in 737 DEC position.
Don't know enough about the airline or the recruiter. |
Just read this on a well known website for airline T&Cs where users can update information: “Planning for the summer has totally failed and the company is now so short of pilots that lots of flights are cancelled or delayed. The future of Primera Air is unsure despite the orders for new 737MAX9” Strange world we live in. As far as I know there are thousands of pilots in Europe. I guess it’s just that not enough of them are willing to work for the T&Cs on offer. Easy fix, increase pay and improve rosters and working conditions. CP |
Per diam calculation
can someone elaborate on perdiem of £400 for 10 units mean? Is it 400/10=40 pounds per layover? |
Does anyone know if ASTA / Mountain high resolved the issues of paying people correctly and on time?
Do they pay for car parking or anything at Stansted? Has anyone left who joined as flight crew due to the roster or late payments? |
According to the marketing chief officer, the reason why Primera Air has ordered A321Neo is to occupy the market while the 737Max9 was not available. They indeed increased recently the orders up to 20 b737 Max 9 ER to use them on long range most probably on the same routes as the current A321Neo. So within 2 years Airbus fleet will be probably disappeared from the Primera fleet and be replaced by a single b737 fleet. The only question is that : why did they order only 2 A321LR? |
Originally Posted by Raski
(Post 10202625)
thats crap. I fly the neo. Never heard about any leap issue officially. Very bad to blame tech issues to hide the reality.
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Originally Posted by Raski
(Post 10202625)
thats crap. I fly the neo. Never heard about any leap issue officially. Very bad to blame tech issues to hide the reality. |
Originally Posted by HundredPercentPlease
(Post 10202860)
I think you are the only one to have not heard about it...
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Primera A321neo LR
Originally Posted by Lolo75020
(Post 10202777)
According to the marketing chief officer, the reason why Primera Air has ordered A321Neo is to occupy the market while the 737Max9 was not available. They indeed increased recently the orders up to 20 b737 Max 9 ER to use them on long range most probably on the same routes as the current A321Neo. So within 2 years Airbus fleet will be probably disappeared from the Primera fleet and be replaced by a single b737 fleet. The only question is that : why did they order only 2 A321LR? Hi, to provide some clarity, Primera require more Range than the 737Max -9 can offer, hence the 321neo LR, for example CDG-EWR and CDG-YYZ the LR is required, especially as the Pax loads have exceeded expectations, by quite a wide margin, so if the loads are sustained in the Winter months, the LR is essential, I hope that answers your query |
Is there a base in CDG ? Local contracts? (T&C?)
How many trips/months? |
Originally Posted by future G-V driver
(Post 10209238)
Hi, to provide some clarity, Primera require more Range than the 737Max -9 can offer, hence the 321neo LR, for example CDG-EWR and CDG-YYZ the LR is required, especially as the Pax loads have exceeded expectations, by quite a wide margin, so if the loads are sustained in the Winter months, the LR is essential, I hope that answers your query
The 737Max9 (with one Act) will be able to perform the same routes as the A321Neo. So I guess that next year when the boeing 737 Max9 comes, primera will send back the airbus to the lessor. Primera has ordered 2 LR only. I wonder why. |
Originally Posted by Lolo75020
(Post 10209435)
Actually Primera Air didn't receive any LR yet and they operate right now only "classic" A321Neo on their transatlantic routes. And as far as I know they can cross the ocean non stop.
The 737Max9 (with one Act) will be able to perform the same routes as the A321Neo. So I guess that next year when the boeing 737 Max9 comes, primera will send back the airbus to the lessor. Primera has ordered 2 LR only. I wonder why. 321neo - typical 2 class seating 180-190, 6900 km range 321neo LR - 7400 km range. In other worlds, both the neo and the neo LR have range advantages on the Max9. CP |
Originally Posted by CaptainProp
(Post 10209544)
Max9 - typical 2 class seating 178-193, 6570 km range 321neo - typical 2 class seating 180-190, 6900 km range 321neo LR - 7400 km range. In other worlds, both the neo and the neo LR have range advantages on the Max9. CP Well the b737 is 5 tons lighter and can carry up to 500kg of fuel more. So even if the Boeing is less efficient than the airbus, I believe that Primera could adjust the max payload in order to match the destination on their network. For instance they could configurate the cabin at 189 pax so 9 less than the airbus in order to be 100% flexible with the rest of the fleet and be able to reach Toronto from Paris. For 189 pax, payload is around 17t. If oew is about 48t then the boeing 737 can carry 23,3 t of fuel which is exactly the fuel quantity of the A321 neo. As it is 5 tons ligher, the boeing will finally makes the same distance up to 4% less efficiency compared to the 321 neo. So no the b737 Max 9 will not be able to match the airbus with the 198 pax. But most probably yes it will be able to reach the same range if payload is adapted. And probably this pay load will be for 189 pax. Thus it will meet the capacity of the rest of the fleet (b737-800) and the aircraft will be able to be used on the long or middle haul with no change in the booking systems. |
More cancellations and ending operations from Birmingham completely, for now anyway. https://www-coventrytelegraph-net.cd...d-14972951.amp CP |
With the cancellation of the short haul operation from BHX and STN, A321 crews are doing only long haul in a W pattern out of STN?
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How the heck do they expect this to work during the winter season? Just about every take off will be with a lump in the stomach. Or are they planning on fuel stop along the way? 07 August, 2018 SOURCE: Flight Dashboard BY: David Kaminski-Morrow London Scandinavian carrier Primera Air’s first Airbus A321neo has been involved in a fuel emergency incident following a transatlantic service to Toronto. The aircraft had been operating flight PF45 from London Stansted on 24 July. Transportation Safety Board of Canada states in a bulletin that, during the descent, the crew “declared a fuel emergency” and was given priority for a runway 23 approach. Shortly before 21:00, as the aircraft descended through 8,000ft, the crew was asked by approach controllers as to the quantity of fuel on board. The crew replied that the jet had 2.3t and would have 2.1t on arrival, and also confirmed 204 occupants on board the flight, with no dangerous cargo. Controllers cleared the aircraft for an ILS approach to runway 23 and TSB states that the aircraft landed without incident at 21:10. Primera Air took delivery of the CFM International Leap-1A-powerd aircraft (OY-PAA), its first A321neo, in April this year, part of a strategy by the operator to open new transatlantic routes from the UK and France. It disclosed last year that it would operate from London, Paris and Birmingham to New York and Boston with its A321neo fleet, and subsequently stated that it would include Toronto in the new transatlantic network. |
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