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essexboy 10th August 2016 15:35

Would anyone care explain what the 'group exercise' is all about.

NEDude 12th August 2016 07:05

Can anyone provide some information regarding the travel benefits with Norwegian? Children, Parents, Spouse/partner? Any buddy passes? Any interline agreements?

Thank you!

Direct Bondi 12th August 2016 08:31

Unfortunately, the hiring practices, exact contract terms and conditions and other elements of the Norwegian regime are becoming more and more secretive. While witch-hunts are conducted against staff providing information Norwegian perceives as critical, we will wait in vain for any answers. In the meantime:-

The President of Irish Airline Pilots Association, Captain Evan Cullen, has written a letter to the Irish Times blasting Norwegian’s “dubious employment practices”. Captain Cullen also admonishes the Irish press for their “ill informed” comment and “scant coverage” of the facts provided by those opposing Norwegian’s circumvention of employment laws:-

http://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/letters/opposition-to-norwegian-air-international-s-plan-1.2749410

Norwegian claims that Irish employment law will apply to crew, however, no sample Irish contract of employment has been provided to the DOT.

Captain Cullen believes that Cork is being used as a pawn in Norwegian’s proposed Cork Boston service and has stated that, based on their existing traffic rights, Norwegian could start a Cork-Boston service tomorrow if they so desired. The people of Cork and Irish press are apparently unable to grasp this fact:-

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/pilots-union-norwegian-airline-using-cork-as-a-pawn-386482.html

Kjos intends to appeal the recent Oslo court ruling that Norwegian is the real employer. The next time Kjos refers to staff as “our employees” someone should ask if he is telling the truth:-

http://www.dn.no/nyheter/naringsliv/2016/08/08/1821/Luftfart/norwegian-tar-pilotene-til-lagmannsretten

starvoyager 12th August 2016 14:44

Selection procedure
 
Anyone who has recently undergone this selection program??? Any info regarding the group exercise, interview and or sim detail, any info would be immensely appreciated. In advance, best regards.

I-AINC 13th August 2016 10:35

Anyone else with the same question?

Has been posted 3/4 times in the last week :rolleyes:

JaxofMarlow 13th August 2016 11:01

Lots with the same questions, but no answers forthcoming. I wonder why !

SK1 14th August 2016 05:30


Originally Posted by JaxofMarlow (Post 9472474)
Lots with the same questions, but no answers forthcoming. I wonder why !

I'd like to see a few example rosters too if anyone is willing to PM them. Thanks

prisoner24601 16th August 2016 10:50

Does anyone know current requirements for relief captains?

I-AINC 16th August 2016 12:14

I really don't understand sometimes if pilots are just lazy or what.

Google, type "Norwegian relief captain requirments"

Here we go:

Pilot Job: B787 Relief Captain Norwegian - Type rated & Non Type Rated! B787 Relief Captains Norwegian Long Haul A/S - Rishworth Aviation

:rolleyes:

prisoner24601 16th August 2016 23:36

Thank you.

Direct Bondi 21st August 2016 10:47

Use all means to seek information on any Norwegian “employment” adventure. Despite a company policy soliciting initiative (OM A 1.4.1), Norwegian would prefer you didn’t use it. A willingness to accept Norwegian’s endemic and morally reprehensible management hypocrisy from the CEO down, will be more beneficial. Another prime example:-

“…Kjos believes several American politicians who criticize him are bought and paid for”

http://www.dn.no/nyheter/naringsliv/2014/09/03/1407/kjos-mener-kritikerne-er-kjpt-og-betalt

DN News reported the Kjos announcement in 2014. In 2014 Norwegian bought and paid 90K to former US Deputy Assistant Secretary for Transportation Affairs, John R. Byerly, to sell Norwegian’s labor scheme and influence the DOT in the NAI US permit application:-

http://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/clientsum.php?id=F45753&year=2014

Norwegian also bought and paid Mr. Byerly 60k in 2015 and has so far bought and paid Mr. Byerly 40K in 2016.

Iver 21st August 2016 15:47


Originally Posted by Direct Bondi (Post 9480927)
Use all means to seek information on any Norwegian “employment” adventure. Despite a company policy soliciting initiative (OM A 1.4.1), Norwegian would prefer you didn’t use it. A willingness to accept Norwegian’s endemic and morally reprehensible management hypocrisy from the CEO down, will be more beneficial. Another prime example:-

“…Kjos believes several American politicians who criticize him are bought and paid for”

http://www.dn.no/nyheter/naringsliv/2014/09/03/1407/kjos-mener-kritikerne-er-kjpt-og-betalt

DN News reported the Kjos announcement in 2014. In 2014 Norwegian bought and paid 90K to former US Deputy Assistant Secretary for Transportation Affairs, John R. Byerly, to sell Norwegian’s labor scheme and influence the DOT in the NAI US permit application:-

http://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/clientsum.php?id=F45753&year=2014

Norwegian also bought and paid Mr. Byerly 60k in 2015 and has so far bought and paid Mr. Byerly 40K in 2016.

Not a surprise at all... Are you suggesting other legacy airlines don't use lobbyists in Washington to advocate for their positions? All Euro legacies (IAG, LH, AF/KLM) are scared to death of opening the door further to NLH. Who wouldn't be? The real winners: lobbyists for both sides who are ecstatic with their growing incomes....

Direct Bondi 21st August 2016 19:44

Those conventional airlines don’t make statements to the press criticizing Kjos for paying lobbyists while paying lobbyists themselves – that would be hypocrisy, a moral failing at which Norwegian’s management excels.

Let me remind you of the biggest morally reprehensible hypocrisy of the Norwegian regime:

“We place great importance on ensuring compliance with employee’s basic human rights as outlined in the International Labor Organization's core conventions”

http://www.norwegian.com/uk/about/company/corporate-responsibility/human-worth/

It's possible the so-called “representation” of Norwegian’s agency pilots is suffering the equivalent of a ‘Stockholm syndrome’. They certainly seem cooperative in their continued labor rights abuse by Norwegian.

springboksoffice 25th August 2016 00:10

Not a very realistic Sim for a commercial airline operation. Push push push until you start making mistakes. I got the gig more by luck and an excellent FO with me, than anything else but many good guys will fail this. Group exercise total waste of time.

speed_alive_rotate 25th August 2016 09:40

Is there much chance of Norwegian 737 drivers being recruited onto the 787 , and if so has there been many in the last while.
I know there is a lot more 787 on the way.

NEDude 25th August 2016 12:49


Not a very realistic Sim for a commercial airline operation. Push push push until you start making mistakes. I got the gig more by luck and an excellent FO with me, than anything else but many good guys will fail this. Group exercise total waste of time.
I did not find the sim all that unreasonable. Is it realistic for a commercial airline operation, no, but it is effective at seeing how you react to stress. I think that is what they are looking for more than anything.

Catacroker 25th August 2016 13:57

Of course they are going to push you in the sim, Everybody can press VNAV LNAV CMD B....
They need to check how you react to stressful situations.

JW411 25th August 2016 16:17

It just so happens that I spoke with a young man (younger than me) who had just completed the NLH sim check in OSL a few months ago. He told me that it was quite straightforward and fair and devoid of too many problems. He passed by the way.

captplaystation 25th August 2016 20:37

speedaliverotate


"Is there much chance of Norwegian 737 drivers being recruited onto the 787 , and if so has there been many in the last while.
I know there is a lot more 787 on the way."


Same money, worse roster, cr@p hotels . . . Er, why would you want to ? except aviation version of "little dick syndrome" . . .well, maybe to "move on", but you can do that anyhow from the 737 ¡f you are incapable of understanding the miserable life that awaits you in Emirates Etc. . . . :ugh:

springboksoffice 26th August 2016 01:00

Depends what you are looking for stress is not the issue. Stress can be applied in many ways. If this was your first job then yes you want to see if a guy can pole around, fly a raw data ILS etc but this is for a 787. You want a guy that can identify a problem then calmly and systematically work through that problem to return to safe flight. Ypu want to see if he can use initiative to work out whats going on, how much time is available, prioritise. Throwing in atc calls like we need you on the ground in 3 minutes is just BS.
I don't think I demonstrated anything that made me stand out as a good captain. Just my opinion of course.


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