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On the 75/76. Started a couple of years ago on PPY50, took home about 3500 / 3600 after tax an pension contributions. Got made full time after a few months now net about 4000-4200. With a little bit of overtime I've often reached low 5000's. With a busy month of say three overtime flights it's been more like 6000. The overtime pays well as most of the time you get two day off payments for one flight as they often report before 0600 or get back after midnight. Yearly hours vary from base to base. Some bases only do about 550. Others 850ish.
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Busybee, were you charged £7000 pa trauning costs?
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Hopefully attached is my august payslip. 11yrs 78 fo, not quite the 5/6000 some are spouting.
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He did say "with a little bit of overtime"....
I only joined this year, and despite having my OCC (£7k pa) reduction, and my reduced salary (for 5 years) I took home the same as rjay259 - thanks to a single overtime flight (double flexi). Assuming no overtime, I would say £3500-3800 is realistic, in the summer at least. For those worried about the PPY - we were offered full time for our first winter within a couple of weeks of joining, and if you bid to go on the 78 you'll be full time automatically. So no guarantees but there's a chance you might not have to be on PPY at all. |
Non typed, got an e mail today saying no more required. Typed 73/75 on going.
Or just a polite PFO? |
Got the "no NTR now required" email also. And the NTR & 787 adverts from the site have been removed. Quiet odd as it's only 2 days since the opening.
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Same here for the NTR. Agreed osuldavid, it doesn't make sense to me. I would have preferred a 'thanks, but no thanks'.
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Rjay259
Your payslip of £4600 net doesn't include any overtime. Plus your paying £150 into the share scheme. You'd almost certainly be into the 5k's with one extra overtime flight including hourly sector/duty pay. |
Delta wun wun
Yes that 3500/3600 included the one year 7k deduction. Don't forget that its taken out before tax so its 7k you would of paid 40% tax on, so really your only paying back 4200 for one year (or three years if not type rated). Still cant say I agreed with it however. |
PFO ...
7000hrs 737, 500hrs 787
Got my PFO today ☹️️ |
Forgive me I'm new, but what does PFO stand for?
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Busy bee I will be able to let you know in a couple of weeks. The flexi will only work out at about £200 take home (for one payment that is) and the £150 into the share scheme would only be £80. So in reality still only a little bit closer. Not the £5/6000 that others had mentioned.
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Does anybody know if there's any appetite within Thomson to open a cadet scheme in the future? They're one of the larger UK airlines not to have one at present....
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Sounds a bit strane this process ...
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We got some comms out this morning which highlighted the recruitment U turn. Mainly our own internal pilot bid filled the 787 slots.
The bid has changed our recruitment need for S17 and so in addition to the 61 pilots already joining us between now and March 2017, we will be recruiting a further 20 – 25 pilots in early November. I am pleased to advise that we have filled our 787 requirement internally and therefore decided to reconsider our plans to recruit directly onto the fleet and have therefore suspended the 787 recruitment and have emailed the small number of pilots who had already applied to advise them of our decision. We will keep their details on file and should we open this in the future. Due to the smaller number of additional recruits needed at this current time, we are confident that we will be able to cover this with Type Rated candidates and so for this year we have also stopped the Non Type Rated advert that opened on Monday. Again we have written to the applicants and will also keep their details on file. We realise that to open recruitment and then close it in this way is not ideal however please be assured that those impacted have been contacted directly and we have acknowledged the time and effort they have spent in completing the application form on line. These decisions are never taken lightly, they are based on our current and predicted operational requirements which are subject to change. |
Hi ManUtd1999
It is my belief that Thomson have operated cadet schemes in the recent past but they were not 0 to CPL MEIR or 0 to MPL type courses. They only accept applications from those those who already have CPL MEIR. These cadet courses were never publicly advertised but were only open to CPL MEIR holders who were already working for the company in other roles ie cabin crew, engineers, ops etc. I have no idea whether or not they are operating that scheme this year (they don't operate it every year). |
Yeah I've heard rumours of them taking internal fATPL candidates, admirable :ok:
I guess with relatively low recruitment numbers a full cadet scheme is unnecessary |
don't rely on overtime
work on the figures without overtime and you won't be sorely disappointed. Overtime (known as flexi) has dried up big time with the large recruitment numbers, year on year it has dropped for most I know, especially this year (FO's).
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Can anyone kindly clarify the NG F/O pay scale for me?
Can anyone state / verify what the 737 F/O pay scale / ladder is so that I can evaluate the opportunity? I know its 81.3% for a max of 3 years but am unsure of the ladder.
PPJN quotes the following full time rates: Year 1 £59,290 Year 2 No info Year 3 No info Year 4 No info Year 5 £64,991 CR £70,688 I will be grateful for any info or verification. |
The salary is the same for the first 5 years (not 3) so it's £59,290 X .813 =£48,202 less the £7k for one year if rated. = £41,202,
with UK average tax code that's £2,621 a month, add say £1000 productivity pay in the summer months (not winter) means a take home of about £3,326 for those summer months, excluding any overtime (not much about now). Last year a 3 year pay deal was struck 2% per annum from memory, There are productivity pay elements that can be found by reading this whole thread. The company doesn't have to offer full time work until been there 5 years, though they might based on requirments on an annual by annual basis. |
Winter 2 week on, 2 week off rotation
Can I get an idea of how much flying you do during those two weeks on in the winter season? is it Like one or a couple trips a week? (assuming you not off to canada, but you're at a UK regional base)
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no trips. the odd flight here and there and lots of standby(737)
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xollob, are u on the 737?
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Can anyone provide info on what MAN 73 summer rosters are like?
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I'm on the 73 at Manch. This summer I've done 12 flights in May, 13 in June, 15 in July and 9 in August (due to 10 days leave). Mix of earlies, lates and deep nights, but mainly earlies as that is what I bid for in the bidding system. Variety of destinations from 2 hour salzburg's and gerona's to 4.5 hour turkey and canaries. Almost all home base flying apart from a couple of trips to Leeds and Newcastle, but again you can express a preference for this one way or the other if desired. No standby in any of those months so all my other days were days off or quasi days off - ie. blank days. Hope this helps.
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Hi all,
I've been lucky enough to be invited for interview. Part of the process requires me to document a full 5 year employment history with agreement for them to contact my employers for references, and this must be submitted at the interview. Do they contact your current employer prior to offering you a position? I would prefer for my current employer not to know I had applied, and for me to be able to tell them myself if I am offered the job. Thanks |
I would think its all done after any job offer, it's pretty standard for companies to offer you a job subject to successful referencing. Also it's just a check that you have worked at these places, and haven't made anything up, your previous employers can't offer opinions on you anymore.
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"Your previous employers can't offer opinions on you anymore".
Well, not in writing anyway. |
Or if you haven't coughed any bond up..........
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The flying game, even in the 21st century, is still a pretty small mafia.
I retired in 2006. At that time, I knew and swallowed ale with four of my old friends in the industry who were then currently Flight Ops Directors in UK airlines. I also had aviation friends in many other countries from Bangladesh to the USA. Would it surprise anyone in this industry to realise that the professionals talks to one another in the pub? Even in writing, such a phrase as this could be construed as unhelpful to your future career: "When FO Bloggs turned up for work, the result was usually to a satisfactory standard". If it is at all possible, try very hard to leave your present airline in as nice a way as is possible. You might want to go back there one day. |
For those that are still interested in TOM, the company and BALPA announced today the end of PPY for current pilots (who don't want it) and new recruits going forward for the foreseeable future. To change back it would have to be agreed again with the union.
Although I don't believe anyone who hasn't wanted PPY has been forced onto it for over two years now anyway... |
What would be the chances of an EXT base?
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Only 300 on type required. Seems unusually low.
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Has any Fo's from a well renowned European 737ng operator made the jump recently? Would like to hear you're thoughts and opinions with regards to the company and salaray differences?
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Loads of guys, i'm not one and wasn't going to reply but as no else has i thought i'd just post something. i've flown with quite a few who within a year or two have progressed into the 78, and they all seem really happy. Everyone (i believe) is full time now and the previous part time deal has been lifted. One ex 73 loco i flew with was taking home about 4-4.5k a month as the 78 generates lots of duty pay.
A big change however this time is that any 75/76 joiners will have to be based in Scandi land for Winter which will put lots off... maybe that's why the hours requirement is so low. Cheers |
Thomson recruitment:
Can anyone post a sample roster for 757/767. Is the long haul roster commutable? I only ask as I'm fairly interested, however I live about 1:45hr away from a couple of the bases and I'm getting a bit long in the tooth for moving house for a job! (I'm already gainfully employed, but always worth considering other options). |
Originally Posted by DooblerChina
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Loads of guys, i'm not one and wasn't going to reply but as no else has i thought i'd just post something. i've flown with quite a few who within a year or two have progressed into the 78, and they all seem really happy. Everyone (i believe) is full time now and the previous part time deal has been lifted. One ex 73 loco i flew with was taking home about 4-4.5k a month as the 78 generates lots of duty pay.
A big change however this time is that any 75/76 joiners will have to be based in Scandi land for Winter which will put lots off... maybe that's why the hours requirement is so low. Cheers What about the 737? I read the seasonal aspect is equalling out a little, are they flying more in the winter from the uk or is it still fairly quiet? |
The Scandi deal is a bit more expansive. On the 756 fleet it will be 767 work so all LH mostly (potential for some SH too, nobody really knows yet). You can choose to either be based there in which the company supply downtown accommodation and give a monthly allowance or you can choose to commute from your UK base in which you will get 5 days off between trips and you can expense your flights to/from upto a certain value as well as hotels the night before/after a trip. On the 76 its expected to be 4 day trips, so you will most likely do 3 trips per month with 15 days off albeit a few of those will need to be used to commute back/forward.
This was put out to our current pilot pool as a bid, the fact its going to recruits seems the uptake wasn't enough to satisfy the requirement. You can bid off it when your in the company. |
Guys,
Are there any pilots with Thomson who commute from lets say France, Holland to their base? Is it do-able on the 787/767? |
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