Wow, good luck fellows.

No actual knowledge, but speculation that they may be in the bidding for part of the business, free of all its liabilities.

The interesting bit is that the 2016 accounts were signed off on 1st September 2017 and filed on the 2nd and low and behold the company went belly up shortly thereafter, with just a little gobbledygook from its auditors about going concern.

So who are the biggest losers the taxpayer yet again. Out of whose purse the 110,000 pax will need to be repatriated and when they are back on home soil will have to use their otherwise redundant buckets and spades to dig deep and shovel the lost revenue back into the governments coffers. Not forgetting the fact that redundancy and unpaid holiday entitlement payments for 2000 employees will also require further excavation.

They should have taken it off life support at its previous coronary event in September 2016.

Chronus,
You are wrong. The biggest loosers are the very many highly professional, dedicated & most of all loyal Monarch Crews & Staff, who have basically been shafted. Unfortunately all this counts for little these, not much honour or integrity about.

Are you sure of this? Surely this is what the ATOL bond scheme with the CAA is for? I doubt the taxpayer is paying anything - just Goverment ministers twisting the facts trying to big thmeselves up as saviours of the "stranded".

It sure comes back to the taxpayers in the end, doesn't it always!

totally wrong

the monarch repatriation is not paid out of your pockets nor any UK tax payer

the costs are all met from the air travel reserve fund (a Bond) set up after the Clarksons Court line collapse in 1974 (it was called TOSG then)

that collapse was big almost 50000 repatriated in 1974 - this is more than twice that

any air ticket and ATOL booking is costed with an amount into that when tour operators and airlines place their bond with the CAA

Well its taxpayers if they choose to travel that pay the surcharge a sum that will now increase, and the CAA is funded in the main by the taxpayer is it not?

No - it is not.

Wrong. Unlike many CAA's, the UK CAA is required to meet it's costs from those that it regulates (e.g. in the fees that they charge) - they don't receive money from the government.

Curious that VA should open their doors to Monarch Pilots when many other, much higher qualified pilots are either waiting an interview or have heard nothing (B787/ A330 rated guys )

Lets face it, the motivated guys left after the last hedge fund infusion. The remaining crew were either new wannabes or too old to care.

Or Loyal. Maybe a trait VS are looking for.

I`d suggest a quick look see :


https://publicapps.caa.co.uk/docs/33...resolution.pdf

Can you see anywhere there where the money is to come from.

Dear pprune

Please forgive me if this is not allowed and delete if you feel the need, just wanted to let our comrades at Monarch know.

Qatar Airways Pilot Recruitment Open Day Gatwick & Manchester 9th and 11th October.

Gatwick 9th October, The Sofitel Airport Hotel, North Terminal, Gatwick Airport, N Terminal Approach, Horley, Crawley RH6 0PH, UK

Two sessions per day: 10:00 am & 13:00 pm

Manchester 11th October, The Radisson Blu Hotel, Chicago Ave, Manchester M90 3RA, UK

Two sessions per day: 10:00 am & 13:00 pm

Good luck with your destiny wherever that may take you

the air travel reserve fund set up by and used by the CAA to repatriate pax from collapsed tour operators and airlines and usually they have lodged a £££ bond - used to be TOSG tour operator study group - the travel trust
now ATOL and called the ATT Fund

https://www.caa.co.uk/ATOL-protectio...-Travel-Trust/


this is NOT funded by the UK tax payer - the ATT fund has a huge surplus

where do you get this nonsense from that its your hard earned money being spent - its not

it comes from this reserve fund and that in turn is funded by the airlines/holiday companies lodging a bond with the CAA which is money from sales of their tickets and holidays - a small % of each projected sale - its part of your protection when you buy an ATOL bonded tour or ticket

Whilst Monarch customers who booked holiday packages are ATOL protected those who booked flights only are not. Reason, Monarch withdrew from flight-only protection last year.

Who is to pay for their repatriation.

I haven't read all 30+ pages of this thread to see if someone else has offered these links but I'll put them here for the Monarch folks.

I sure feel bad about what has happened having been in similar circumstance once myself. Best wishes to all of you affected:



https://www.latestpilotjobs.com/jobs/view/id/9400.html

AviationJobs.Me Flight Crew: Virgin Atlantic Recruitment Fast Track Path for Monarch Pilots

highfive - not sure there are many 'much higher qualified pilots are either waiting an interview' than the Monarch guys. Many of them have flown the A300 and A330 for years as both Captains and FOs. They also have countless sectors on Airbuses to their name - a very useful quality for long haul guys when take-offs and landings are in short supply. They come from a culture very similar to Virgin and seem to be a perfect fit. If I was a Virgin manager and was running a recruitment drive, I would start with a host of unemployed ex-Monarch pilots. Win-win for everyone - how much better does it get?

Titan Airways opportunities.
 

At risk of censure, I am going to post the following:

Titan Airways are recruiting now for the following for our STN base.

Airbus Captains, LTC's and TRE's. Immediate start dates available;
Boeing 737 & 757 Captains and FO's - start dates late 2017/early 2018;
Airbus FO's - start dates later in 2017;
Cabin Crew - start dates early 2018;
Engineers;
Flight Ops General Manager (non flying/admin), and;
Safety and Compliance Risk Manager.

We will be in LGW at Holiday Inn, Horley on Tuesday 17th October and at STN Holiday Inn Express on Thursday 19th October for open days.

Please visit www.titan-airways.co.uk and select the careers tab. Upload your details and we will be in touch.

Also, check out our Facebook page - Titan Airways Careers.

Good luck to you all - we already look forward to seeing several former Monarch employees next week at selection.

Count of Monte Bisto

You are absolutely right. The Monarch Airline I knew & I'm sure it's no different now, was one of highly professional & most loyal Aircrew & other Staff. Qualities that any Airline about to hire Staff themselves, would be glad to have on board.

Virgin First Officer – Monarch Pilot Managed Path

https://careers.virgin-atlantic.com/...iypgteomqdnpnq

RENORT : "Loyal" ! Absolute baloney. No place in modern commercial aviation. Ask pilots from British Eagle, Court Line, Channel, Laker, Air Europe, Da, Moretons, BU(CI)A, BIA Air, Caledonian, BUA...........aaaaaagh ! Crikey, and I have hardly started ! Oh, and loyal to who when "your" company is taken over or merged with something else painted on the side ? Switch "loyalties". Yeah, you probably would !

TUI Airways (formerly Thomson) recruitment now open.

Pilot Recruitment - TUI

I seem to remember when that great bloke Don Richardson was the Boss,everyone was loyal,and most in the Industry would have swopped either seat for the same seat with Monarch.As an earlier poster put it,it was the best job around,but that seems to have been a while ago!What a real shame such a nice Outfit was shafted by those in Suisse!Reminds me of when SwissAir went bust and stuffed their Creditors,they became White Tails and promptly restarted on lower Ts&Cs,calling themselves SWISS:-So What I Am Still SWISS!What a Bugger of an Industry you lot now have to endure,having Bean Counters that ruin your lives,instead of Highly Experienced Ex Pilots,who know exactly how to run and keep an Airline HAPPY!

anyone abroad now with a monarch ticket whether atol covered or not up to and including the 15th Oct will be flown home on the same day as booked with Monarch and usually back to their same airport in the UK at no cost by the CAA's arranged flights
if an airport is changed say from LGW to STN then the CAA has arranged transport back

pax due to fly home after 16 Oct will have to rebook and pay for new flights themselves - (even with an Atol - those protected folk will have to rebook and claim costs from CAA)
they should get their money back from their own credit/debit card company for the loss of their Monarch tickets.
if they have travel insurance with an end user or airline failure cover then the new flight costs will be covered as will any hotel/meal expenses which can be claimed for plus delay cover too.

pax with flights any booked out to travel From the UK - same applies if no atol certificate held on the booking - they have lost their Monarch booking and money - so they need to claim this back from bank card companies and or travel insurances if they have suitable cover.
if they have an ATOL certificate then they can claim their money back from the CAA.

Thomson opening recruitment
 

The following is extracted from an email to TOM pilots from the Plot Manager responsible for recruitment:

"We are advertising for all Type Rated Positions as well as Non Type Rated.

External Comms Campaign Link: https://goo.gl/bPkzk4

An additional link is also being created & will be sent to the Monarch HR & Outplacement Support Team shortly later today.

A number of you have emailed me today re Monarch friends who are TR but very low hour (our criteria is 330 hrs on Type) – please advise them to apply through the Type Rated Link. If they don’t have a 75/76/73 or 787 TR they MUST apply as Non Type Rated

Hope this is helpful, Kathryn"

FA Stoat,
You mentioned the late Don Richardson from Monarch. An absolute genuine & lovely gentleman throughout, who was a geat help to me during my 25 years with the company.

Used to be "Lions led by donkeys". However now we know that recently they were "Lions led by ponies", polo ponies!

Nothing unique about countless sectors on airbuses, any short haul bus pilot has this.

However, my point is that there is an extensive application procedure to go through with most airlines, inc VA. To then fast track a bunch of pilots, simply based on the fact they have time on type and are unemployed, goes against the philosophy of their selection process. A lot of Ex Monarch captains will have never experienced psychometric testing, as it was not common in the industry 20 years ago. A fast track process indicates that you have a higher chance of success than a similar candidate who has recently applied, with similar practical job experience.

Finally, if Monarch was still afloat, few of its pilots would be applying for VA, Easy et al. Wouldn't it be better, in the long run, for a company to take a pilot who is actually motivated & applying for a position in that company, not simply because they are on hard times? Several current Mid East B787 pilots are awaiting their VA start dates. Should they be under cut because another pilot is allowed fast track?

Yes.

That's fair enough in my book.

Surely a Captain with 25 years experience is preferable to some snowflake who's practiced loads of online psychometric tests..

But, but, it's not FAIR! Spoken like a true snowflake.

Highfive,

I would suggest that it is an entirely positive thing that UK companies have seen fit to make mutually beneficial arrangements to keep recently redundant UK pilots in a job.

If I were employed by a middle eastern carrier the theme of "undercutting" is one I would well and truly avoid. Middle eastern carriers do not compete on a level playing field with legacy carriers. It is hypocritical to selectively cry foul when it suits your personal interests.

I think the agenda lies at the feet of the poster. At the end of the day who gives a squat about psychometric testing, online tests, application limitations and group exercises etc, we all know it's a scheme to eliminate candidates and to stop a certain demographic applying. The restrictions are there because, well because they can afford to be fussy. You may not be old enough to remember but there used to be an equally good way of recruiting pilots, it involved talking to them for an hour to spot the undesirable, then stick them in the sim quickly. Believe it or not this avenue still works and of course a year x captain wouldn't apply to Virgin to be a first officer, but that doesn't mean he wouldn't want to work for them, I also would like to apply there, but I'd rather the guys who have no income coming in had the opportunity first, you can't begrudge them that. There is no dodgy ground, everyone has the right to rebuild their careers and start afresh.

Who said they had priority? All that's happened is they have been fast tracked through the application process, I'm sure nobody will be recruited if the VS bods don't like them.

If you can advertise a job that asks you to not bother applying unless you're a graduate from a red brick university then by the same token you can have one that prefers candidates from a certain commercial background. Airlines currently advertising fast track applications from Monarch pilots:

Virgin
EasyJet
Norwegian
Ryanair (yuk)

I think Emirates are about to launch a targeted campaign too.

I can see both sides to this argument. On on hand yes it nice companies are looking to recruit Monarch guys on the other hand if I was currently sat in the hold pool at Virgin and was now being pushed aside in favour of Mon pilots I would feel very hard done by. Monarch's failure was a tragedy but let's be honest not an entirely unpredictable one. The guys who stayed did so fully aware of the potential risks but chose to remain anyway, to now prioritise them over other people strikes as slightly unfair to me but hey since when has this industry been fair.

Fair? Never. In my day it was always recruitment based on a hand shake , a squadron recco, or a a nudge & a wink.
If you weren't in , you were out on your a$s.

Now the industry is so regimented in its bias towards
psyco based recruitment.
But , If a company has a ridgid recruitment process , surely to then invite all and sundry to fast track around this character based assesment is belittling those that have done it through the regular , none fast track, channels ?

Through the back door is never good. Although it was a common way into an airline, based on knowing Roger from way back , hopefully that nepatism has been reduced.

But its the same old same. Ex Mon Training Capt Pete knows Recruitment manager Jim at XYZ and by fast tracking , its a way of saying , we know youre a good fella, now come this way, no need for all that psyco namdey pandy nonesense.
Now , fancy a Sherry , old chap?

Whether we like it or not, pysco evaluation has been part of the aviation world for many years & like CRM it is here to stay, it has to be lived with & is an integral part of day to day flying.

That said & absolutely no disrespect whatsover to the less experienced Chap or Lass, but if I was at 30W 390 on a dark night & it all went to worms, I would wish those at the pointed end, to have had many years of practical flying experience, over those having done a few pysco tests & not as much of the practical flying.

I wouldn't go getting all excited about VS. I read, somewhere, half their about 40 current slots will be for Monarch guys and girls. I'm sure Vs will still be tempted by rated on their aircraft. Makes sense. Unless they actually needed and had the training capacity for all 40 of them tomorrow, waiting 3 months notice period to take on someone for a quick OCC and line flights for a 78 rated person makes more sense than fully rating a 737 pilot tomorrow. VS know that. Chill people. It's good they have options (mon pilots)....

Plenty of options for them...

I hope they don't have to go anywhere rubbish like small planet...

Historically I was told VA didn't look favourably on people who are redundant applying as they should be super keen to join, and not just because they no longer have a job. Maybe a change of policy ?

There is a world of difference between the selection process required for inexperienced and experienced pilots. There will of course be a range of abilities, but the process is a lot simpler and if they are type rated much shorter and of course cheaper. The question why they are looking for a job also does not arise with the Monarch pilots. So all in all they are ideal ready entries.

Who says the non Monarch guys in the hold pool are non rated? Any one of them could have left to go to Virgin any time they liked over the last 3 years but chose not to, seems unfair to me that people who might well be rated and actually want the VR job might miss out. But as I said it's not a fair industry.