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VJW 20th May 2015 10:10

That's why I ask!

Don't work for Easy so no idea what their roster is like.

Wirbelsturm 20th May 2015 10:18


I sometimes would just love for you guys to go work for a Loco for a month and come back and tell me how hard it really is in BA
No need, one good friend and former colleague of mine is a TSC with Ezy at Gatwick and we have discussed his, admittedly self built, training rosters in comparison to LGW SH rosters and they are, from a training perspective, broadly similar.

I also have another friend and former colleague who is a line swine Skipper at LGW for Ezy and the rosters are also broadly similar. Ironically the stock line at Ezy is more predictable than the 'new' bidline as BA now have the ability to 'Force Assign' if you have the audacity to bid low to release bank or even fancy a specific day or two off.

On the plus side once the rosters are fixed they are generally bomb proof.

I would assume that bumping 850+ hours a year in SH is pretty busy, it's many years since I was there and it wasn't anywhere near as back breaking as it is now but then that's the world we live in now. :eek:

VJW 20th May 2015 10:55

Sorry, but I didn't intend to compare EZY to BA. While they are by definition Loco, compared to my lot I'd say they have it 'easy'....pun intended.

Wirbelsturm 20th May 2015 11:17

Ezy is the only 'Loco' that I still have friends in, those in Ryanair and Jet2 moved along pretty quickly!!!!

SinBin 20th May 2015 18:51

As a shorthaul pilot at BA, I got a tripline for June, and every month previous to that for the last 4 years, except 1....I think was through choice. Yes BA have tweaked the ruleset somewhat, but only if you bid low on credited hours on a month. I strategically block all my work up at the beginning of the month so as to avoid a forced assigned trip at the end of the month which seem to be few and far between. Certainly not 100% blind lines on shorthaul. Probably 25% blindlines but for someone getting in now, would only be in that territory for a matter of a few months.

Juan Tugoh 20th May 2015 19:21

Wirbelsturm you have said all that I was trying to say far more diplomatically than I did or can, for that I thank you.

wiggy 20th May 2015 19:36

SinBin


BA have tweaked the ruleset somewhat, but only if you bid low on credited hours on a month. I strategically block all my work up at the beginning of the month so as to avoid a forced assigned trip at the end of the month
:confused:


Maybe you've been lucky or maybe that's a consequence of Short Haul roster construction.

Those DEPs considering/heading for Long Haul need to be aware that there certainly pilots, most especially the 744, who have been force assigned extra trip(s) having been at or very close to CAP. The "tweak" is more than a "somewhat" and bidding high /blocking the work at the front of the month certainly offers no protection from "Force Assign" (on any fleet).

grasshopper50 21st May 2015 08:27

waiting to hear from BA
 
My husband had a sim test with BA yesterday and we're waiting to hear from them. Do you know how and when they'll contact him? I'm finding the waiting agony.

italian stallion 21st May 2015 10:14

help
 
I want to join BA! :{

ChaseIt 21st May 2015 11:43

Same... Don't know what's harder jumping through all the hoops to convert to EASA ATPL or the thought of the BA selection process!

Nikonair 21st May 2015 13:23

Just got the email that I made it through to round 2 :eek:

hunter ace 21st May 2015 14:17

Ba direct entry pilot......second go
 
I have been asked to re-apply to BA.Has anybody here done this.....did you re-do all the questions.....I figure the only thing that has changed is my total hours on the A320. I only got as far as the first assessment day at LHR last time...I wonder what has changed...BA desperation perhaps?
Anybody got any ideas?

SinBin 21st May 2015 19:54

Wiggy, perhaps it is a shorthaul thing, granted it is still a risk, but the lines I go for are the ones with more work at the front, and looking on ibid you will see most RA trips are at the front of the month on shorthaul, as far as long haul especially the 400, it's probably much different. If they had the right numbers in the first place, instead of the constant figure fudge, we wouldn't be talking about this. Anyway sorry for the thread creep!

wiggy 22nd May 2015 06:04

hunter ace


I only got as far as the first assessment day at LHR last time...I wonder what has changed...BA desperation perhaps?
Anybody got any ideas?
Yep..just about every pilot in BA knows what's gone on (and it's been mentioned by others in earlier posts), it goes roughly like this:

1. Once upon a time work coverage was getting tight but rather than recruit in large numbers some in management convinced themselves that this shortfall was down to the pilots being lazy or inefficient. They thought they could avoid costly recruitment of costly pilots if they could get rid of significant elements of the scheduling agreement.

2. Management succeeded in getting rid of significant elements of scheduling agreement :mad:....however...

3. Now it seems the cunning plan hasn't fixed things and with an increase in the flying programme, new aircraft deliveries and retirements starting to pick up they're now really really struggling to cover the work and they've got themselves on the back side of the drag curve, so to speak. There's little if any flex left in the system but in any event they start asking for the likes of sell back of leave (but many full timers are ringing the 900 hour bell so that just kicks the can a few months down the road..) ask Part Time pilots to give up days off, and also it seems they are going back into the market place urgently looking for DEPS who they can fast track through the recruitment process because they were needed yesterday - which is where you come in....... :ooh:

SinBin

Tell you what, if you've genuinely found a solution to FA I'd patent it, bottle it and sell it....;) hope it continues to work for you.

Harry palmer 22nd May 2015 08:46

Understand why they are targeting Airbus rated to ease the training capacity issue and get the SH numbers up as quickly as possible. But is it likely enough will be sort? Will this apply soon to us non rated guys who just fell short last time? Very much hope so.

Wirbelsturm 22nd May 2015 11:30


The fix is easy- return to the old pay scale or at least lose a few steps
Well that's never going to happen!!! They've gone from 'costs flat' to 'cost saving', killed Bidline as it was all our fault that the work couldn't be covered, killed the final salary pension scheme with rumours that it will be closed this year to further accruals, extended the pay points and rehashed duty and working hours just prior to EASA.

Sad to say that there is almost no going back from that, death by a thousand cuts. :{

On the brighter side there is some constructive work going on on the pre departure sandwiches front. (not for you flat earthers obviously!!! ;) )

Superpilot 22nd May 2015 18:26

Just got the email to say I can re-attend and all that's required of me is to resit the maths. That's exactly what I thought I failed, probably due to burning myself out whilst concentrating so hard on the other tests. As I've now got a serious shot at making Stage 2, I think I will give it another shot after all :ok:

Wirbelsturm 22nd May 2015 18:55

Good luck! :D

stable_checked 22nd May 2015 19:07

For those that have been successful, what material did you use to prepare?

power.on.spin 22nd May 2015 19:52

BA Direct Entry Pilot.
 
Superpilot when did you initially apply?


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