So where are the new hires coming from typically? Any from the Middle East or is it too much of a pay cut for them.

Advice please
 

Would anyone who has made the transition from mil to BA mind getting in touch via a PM? Many questions and don't want to clog up the bandwidth.

Don't wish to pry or embarrass anyone, but are the BA payscales in the public domain? If so which one would apply to SH A320 FOs.

Much appreciated:ok:

I was safety pilot for a New DEP on day one a few weeks ago from Emirates. I've met other FO's down route/on crew bus etc that have come from Qatar & Etihad in the 2011 Recruitment campaign. All have their own personal reasons for coming home, most said they enjoyed it while it lasted but didn't want to have a 40 year career in the ME. Good job but not a long term career for them.

However I have friends from my OAT vintage (calling Oxford OAT is vintage these days) that are out with Emirates/Etihad & love it. So it's purely down to personal choice of what works for you & your family etc. Equally I've heard several crewmers that a few guys have left BA for Etihad/Emirates etc. No airline is perfect! I imagine tho the bulk of DEPs are still coming from Easy/Monarch & alike. BA is not the be all & end all but as a long term stable career it works for me, especially if you want to be in the UK or Europe!

All the best to those applying.

BASHLI; huge influence on QOL :ok:

To all those bitching about not being able to apply again in this round:
Lufthansa bans applicants who failed any stage, for LIFE!
You just have to have had a bad day and will never be able to attend again...
...just a perspective.

I've just been informed that I've been invited to attend the initial assessment at LHR. Found some good information so far on prune, but still wondering if that information is still valid.

Nikonair; Its been suggested that most of that information is still valid. Congrats & good luck :ok:

Nikonair, congratulations! As kirungi1 said, everything is still valid, the only note I'd add is that the computer tests changed in 2011 and again were altered slightly last year. However, that's all covered in the later posts on here. All the best, and good luck!

Thanks guys! I didn't expect to survive the initial CV screening etc. so pleasantly surprised by the invite.
The info on the changed tests is somewhere in this topic or other ones? I've dug up quite a few old topics but a bit scared I missed some left and right.

Timing is in my disadvantage though :ooh: I've got my 6 months sim the week prior, so I hop i'll find enough time in-between flying and preparing for the sim to prepare as best I can for the assessment.

edit: Found the updated information after trawling through this topic.

Hi guys. Does anyone have any idea is there many more long haul courses planned?

Also just to answer a previous posters questions about where certain applicants are coming from. Purely because I worked there in the past I personally know of 10 coming from Ryanair (two skippers but mainly SFIs, and line FOs) who are going on mainly the 747 and one or two on the A320. I know of a few from Easy and Monarch and one guy from Thomson. Obviously there are guys from elsewhere but those are the guys I know.

Applied on Friday.

Invite to Assessment on Monday.

A couple of lovely phone calls which is polar opposite to dealings with any other airline.

Prep software and keyboard ordered.

Booked assessment today around current roster. To be honest I'm very happy where I am, maybe oddly the best position to be in to pursue something with them.

Fingers crossed.

Can a mod contemplate amending post #1 with a list of the most pertinent information from all the posts in this thread, otherwise if anyone could suggest any post numbers that saves hours of skim reading I'd really be obliged.

Does anyone else find it amazing that people come to this thread because they are applying to BA and fancy a job; they have loads of really useful information right at their fingertips so all they need to do is read through it, and yet they still would quite like it if someone else could do the donkey work and wade through the posts to find the relevant information for them? I came through the system as a cadet. When I showed up to do the tests, there were no practice examples, and no pprune helpful hints. You just showed up and did your best. The tests are designed to detect your ability to learn and adapt.

You were lucky .... when I were a lad ..... etc ;-)

Sure! Contact me privately and I will quote you my hourly rate for doing this for you. However, I think you will find it more cost effective to simply.....do it yourself! :rolleyes:

Alternatively...

One has painstakingly gone through each page (albeit around August of 2014) of this thread, and the BA DEP one from last time around to put together a Word document. One is willing to sell if the price is right :E

Typical pilot remarks.

I remember reading through this forum when folk helped each other rather than looking for a kickback. However we are Thatcher's children, so what do you expect.

GS-Alpha, I take it you showed up for your school/uni exams and were happy to rely on the knowledge you absorbed over the past few months? Or did you hit the past papers .... oh right .... thought so.

However now we do have PPRuNe however if you advocate returning to knotty rope, and sextants over shiney MCDU/FMC's then crack on.

Hit the past papers, you mean, like, do the study yourself?

What a novel concept!




Read the bloody thread.

As in, this thread is littered with petulant behaviour and the quality content is lost among discussions like this

prep software and keyboard
 

Hi, after screwing up my assessment last November, may I ask what prep software and keyboard you have ordered. I need to prep better for my next shot.

It is my understanding that the 311 target for this year is largely A320 fleet. Approx 50 to LH on the 747 a few rated guys to the 787 and I believe that has now been achieved and remaining placement is A320.

Internal bids for 2016 open soon and further LH placement will come from valid bids prior to external recruitment........that's this mornings plan anyway

Doesn't sound like much hope for long haul for new guys then.

Has anyone heard anything from recruitment after Monday?

11th May
 

Anyone scheduled for the 11th May induction followed by the A320 rating? PM me please. Looking to connect.
Good luck to all those applying!

Sadly for some, yes, OTOH it takes the process back to the way it generally has run in the past with Long Haul slots filled by internal bids.

As far as I'm aware BA have only ever recruited DEPs directly to Long Haul when forced to, by, say, a lack of training capacity and/or short haul being so attractive nobody wanted to leave ( stop laughing at the back, it has happened..a long long time ago...).

I suspect that this apparent return to near normality, whilst a blow to prospective DEPs, will be a relief to some already in BA Shorthaul....then again as was pointed out that was the plan this morning, so don't give up hope.

Yep - I applied on the 11th and got my invite to day 1 yesterday

I was hoping for long haul based on my circumstances and current location.

Let's see how far I get before I worry!

As someone who has been in BA for 4 years I would be mighty upset next year if I lost out to a long haul slot to a DEP.

I know 4 DEPs going onto LH and only 1 onto SH. None of which have wide body experience.

Likewise however I fear that for this round of recruitment it will be mainly SH.

Unless you want to be a very junior blindline holder for the next five ish years, that may turn out to be a good thing if you want at least some control over your roster!

When I went to uni, I was examined on things I'd been taught over the last three years not months, and no I didn't do any past papers - they were not available. University was about being taught a subject - not just passing an exam.

My point was that there is no need to do previous practice for the tests because they are designed to detect your ability to learn and adapt. If you are rubbish when you start off, it's really not a problem. The areas where you do need to be good are your team skills, and I made this point too. I was actually attempting to be helpful, and get you targetting the important areas that you can't just learn and adapt to on the day, but that seems too have flown overhead.

Nice idea about showing learning and its a valid point but it relates to the sim part of the interview process. You best hit the mark in all the papers and aptitude tests otherwise you won't get the chance to show you can learn. That's my experience of it from the past years

To be fair Stocious I joined early this year onto LH and got myself a tripline with the weekend I wanted off in May.

It does happen I grant you, just not as often as if you were moving steadily up the seniority list.

As they would need to put you through a conversion course then recruit a DEP into your SH position and put them through a conversion course, I'm afraid, they would recruit direct DEP to LH, thus incurring only a single conversion course, as long as a shortage of experience is evident on the SH fleets or a training backlog exists.

Might be a bit of a wait I'm afraid.

Maybe Wirbs, and I'm sure that's how the bean counters will always view it.

OTOH if large numbers of our short haul colleagues coming out of basic/initial freeze, or for that matter those currently stuck on the 76, are denied a move by a significant continuation of DEPs to the 747/777/787, simply for economic reasons, I think the BALPA reps could be in for an interesting time.......

Very true Wiggy, it seems the rumblings have started already! :E

No BA SH pilots allowed to move to a LH slot in favour of DEP? That would be enough for us on SH to seriously consider all options available to show our feelings. We would see our career progression stall, salary suppressed and life work balance seriously effected.....Again!

LH is not for everyone but I would be very angry if the option was taken away. If we are to become career short haul then give us the 5 on 4 off rosters over the 6 on 2 off we have now and put us on parity with LH pay.

bex

I'm not sure such a move would be actually banned unless BA reverts to being BEA and BOAC....at which point I rather suspect BALPA in short haul at BA would be finished.

I think the move of the training facilities from Cranebank to west base this year allowed the company to credibly claim a lack of training capacity, and trigger significant recruiting direct to some of the Long Haul Fleets. It will be very tough for BA to use the same excuse again in the foreseeable future. That said given the nature of the beast and the costs flat/cost cutting mantra I wouldn't be surprised if BA suggested it again to our negotiators.....Hedging my bets I'd guess that whilst we'll continue to see DEPs there will be probably be far fewer onto Long Haul for a while.

Looking on the bright side, when you do move, which you surely will, you'll always be above the current DEPs on your status list.

Bex, sadly the company will argue we should consider ourselves lucky we ever have the option to change fleets through choice. BALPA will be fearful of short haul being split off from BA altogether, removing forever the ability to move to long haul. They will therefore convince everyone not to rock the boat, and maybe even to take some kind of pay reduction in order to fund the continued ability to transfer when training can cope.