Are they skipping the Sim for everyone who is already 320 typed, or all applicants?

Or perhaps there's a criteria if you have several thousand hrs and are NTR?

Only those who are 320 rated and currently flying/flown recently.

For now...

320 rated = no sim? Why? All sim checks were on 747 when I did it. You were not being assessed on type, but for your CRM, decision making and observed learning.

Whatever, as with all “trials” management run, it will be declared a huge success with little evidence and quickly rolled out across the board.

The only evidence required is the immediate cost saving within their little silo.

Clearly such a policy is designed to save money but also to put a stop to the negotiations between candidates and the company about which fleet they will join in an environment where DEPs onto long-haul will be in high demand and short-haul remaining an undesirable fleet to join for those with experience elsewhere.

By allowing 320 rated applicants to avoid a sim check it provides an incentive to apply for short-haul and gives no opportunity to negotiate a long-haul fleet since you only get a tick in the “eligible for long-haul” box during a sim check.

I think you’re giving BA far too much credit over and above what’s really going on which is it’s cheaper not to put candidates in the sim, that’s all that matters to BA post Walsh and especially Cruz.

I’ve already stated that the process has been watered down recently by all this “suitable for long haul” nonsense. In the (not so) old days part and parcel of the BA sim assessment was looking at you with regard to your ability to pass any conversion including onto a Long Haul type if required so if you passed the sim the possibility of Long Haul was a given if you had the requisite hours. Any question mark and you failed, nowadays any question mark and you’re waved in onto the A320 Fleet seeing as no other bugger will take it.

For the benefit of those heading (or hoping) for the A320 at LHR, the following may be of interest. This is a breakdown of what sort of trips are available in April:

19 5-day trips of which just over half have a layover day (all in LIS)

214 4-day trips of which about 20% have a layover day (12 different destinations) and 9 have two layover days (all in TLV)

522 3-day trips of which about one third have a layover day (20 different destinations)

884 2-day trips of which 28 are night flights (DME)

1581 day trips of which 19 are four sectors

In additional 63 people will be on reserve, the details of which have been discussed before on this thread. All of this flying will be divided up between around 500 pilots. This is just a snapshot and the above numbers will change to some degree throughout the year.

The LCY-SNN-JFK-LCY trips are excluded from the above figures, as are trips extracted for training.

that's great info for pilots looking at joining Doug! I'll just add that a standover is a full calendar day off down route. (I had never heard the term before coming to ba!)

Day off down route.....? Is that not just being at work for no credit?

Some people treat them as Heathrow aggravation recovery days...

From what I have heard it's only for easyJet applicants.

Then I’d suggest being a little more selective with your hearing

kendrick got offended, he also wants to be elite😂😂

😂 elite? It was a tongue in cheek response.

Even on a rumour network I think it’s worth squashing things that aren’t true.

Gone are the days when Chief Pilots used to ring each other up and if they got a recomendation they knew the guy coming was a right wayne kerr or a good egg. Failing that the assessors and HR both said no this guys no good but then someone up the chain said take him on.
Anyone else familiar with that? :ugh:

Okay clever clogs, what information do you have which refutes what I have heard?

Didn’t mean it to come across like that at all, apologies. Ex-Thomas Cook friends were passed in January with no sim.

Word is that during the “lunch” presentation candidates are told that only NTR A320 will be required to attend the sim assessment

Interesting. So presumably you can have zero CRM skills, or missing tonnes of BA pilot competencies, but as long as you can fly an A320 you’re in. If you’re not A320 TR these skills must be assessed in the sim.

Unless I’ve missed the point of the BA sim assessment, this doesn’t seem right.

i think somebody has decided that some, if not all of the above mentioned competencies can be assessed in an interview or group exercise scenario.

if this is anything like the many other trials I have seen over the years at BA then the result has already been decided...

Stop bein bitter and get on with it - their train set and their decision ........ the sheer fact that A320 TR guys are cheaper means they have an advantage - BA wants A320 guys not anyone else and don’t be delusional thinking that they will choose you for the competencies only -..... cash is king and if they get a bum on the seat with less spend - that’s what they will have