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wiggy 11th January 2020 08:00


Originally Posted by Gingerbread Man (Post 10658967)
I am just surprised at the complexity of rostering.

Trust me, there are about 4000 people who continue to be surprised....:bored:

Feb rosters came out yesterday and on company yammer we have the now traditional questions being asked which are usually along the lines of “WTH didn’t my bid work this time around???????”

2 Whites 2 Reds 11th January 2020 08:28


Originally Posted by wiggy (Post 10659807)
“WTH didn’t my bid work this time around???????”

Our good friend “Global Contraints”.

All of my bid groups feasible but most failed due to GC. JSS is a total shambles that no one seems to really understand. Still can’t find anyone on the line willing to admit they actually voted for this s***!


bex88 11th January 2020 09:16

L - - award all work. 1 bid group only, no avoids and I end up in fall back bid group 4.....???

wiggy 11th January 2020 09:28


Originally Posted by bex88 (Post 10659871)
L - - award all work. 1 bid group only, no avoids and I end up in fall back bid group 4.....???

Darned if I know..other than to get the work covered they needed you into fallback (?mode 3) to get more hours on your line....have you ended up way above CAP by any chance?


GS-Alpha 11th January 2020 10:08

Bex, that means you went into fallback stage 3, which is to widen the credit range by an hour. I personally think the credit range is one of the biggest reasons why fallback effects so many people, why global constraints goes so high, and why junior guys are working their nuts off. The problem is we are trying to make JSS as much like old bidline as possible, and it just isn’t. We had a lot of control over our old banks and they appear to be restricting the credit ranges to try and mimic that. This means JSS is covering the work with one hand tied behind its back, leaving lots of uncovered work. Junior guys have very little if any control once global constraints gets involved. Every month under JSS, I get told here’s what you could have had, but we’ve just given it to someone else during global constraints, so here, have this crap instead. We know you specifically requested not to have that work, but never mind. It’s like the old roster assign, only they remove every single trip you had rather than just the one, and they don’t pay you if you work over CAP.

Bloated Stomach 11th January 2020 13:22

Can you tell me if there is a training bond for non type rated First Officers?

Thegreenmachine 11th January 2020 18:47


Originally Posted by Bloated Stomach (Post 10660097)
Can you tell me if there is a training bond for non type rated First Officers?

There is no bond.

Jumbo2 12th January 2020 06:27


Originally Posted by bex88 (Post 10659871)
L - - award all work. 1 bid group only, no avoids and I end up in fall back bid group 4.....???

bex no offence but ask your fo's, or one of the Jss trainers how to make a proper bid, L-- award all work and only one bid group doesn't sound you understand the system very well.

122.85 12th January 2020 06:50

Almost 2 years in on the 777 and the rosters have been pretty good for a while, granted I am not pushing for weekends off but have been getting a pretty good balance of trips. Just takes a few goes to work out the best JSS bid for your seniority.

Bloated Stomach 12th January 2020 11:11


Originally Posted by Thegreenmachine (Post 10660370)
There is no bond.

Thank you.

thetimesreader84 12th January 2020 13:51


L - - award all work. 1 bid group only, no avoids and I end up in fall back bid group 4.....???
bex, do you use ibid? It’s “bid generator” works really well (other bidding apps are available!)

18 months in, on SH, i generally get the length of trips I want and broadly the nightstops I bid for. Weekends off are rare in summer, but I’ve had a few so far this winter. Mid haul / standovers are like golden hens teeth for me. My only real complaint is having to do reserve every 3rd month. Hopefully that will change with the shorter reserve periods supposedly coming soon.

RexBanner 12th January 2020 14:07


Originally Posted by Bloated Stomach (Post 10660802)
Thank you.

wouldn’t be surprised if that ended sooner rather than later. People have been leaving inside their first couple of years in droves recently. It can’t have escaped BA’s attention, particularly in the current cost dominated climate.

Icanseeclearly 12th January 2020 19:41

Hardly leaving in Droves Rex (despite the best efforts of the company).

A quick look through the seniority lists shows about 30 “missing numbers” between seniority number 3400 - 4600 (estimate those with seniority 3400 joined about 5 years ago) works out at an attrition rate of 2.5% - surprisingly low considering.

GS-Alpha 13th January 2020 09:57


Originally Posted by Icanseeclearly (Post 10661115)
Hardly leaving in Droves Rex (despite the best efforts of the company).
A quick look through the seniority lists shows about 30 “missing numbers” between seniority number 3400 - 4600 (estimate those with seniority 3400 joined about 5 years ago) works out at an attrition rate of 2.5% - surprisingly low considering.

That has just prompted me to take a look through the PRIAM results to see for myself and I agree, the number of people leaving is exceedingly low despite the rumours suggesting otherwise. I can count only 10 missing numbers before people are getting multiple valid bids (presumably about the 5 years in position).

FACoff 13th January 2020 10:27

Expect there'll be a good number off to Virgin when contracts start going out. I do fly with many who are 'looking' but with Brexit hanging over the industry at the moment it's a risky time to move. Last in, first out.

3Greens 13th January 2020 15:53


Originally Posted by GS-Alpha (Post 10661502)
That has just prompted me to take a look through the PRIAM results to see for myself and I agree, the number of people leaving is exceedingly low despite the rumours suggesting otherwise. I can count only 10 missing numbers before people are getting multiple valid bids (presumably about the 5 years in position).

about 20 Dutch guys/girls left a couple of years ago as KLM were recruiting. Mainly from our P777 status. I do fly with lots of junior FO’s who are looking at other options. In particular virgin at Manchester for the NW commuters.

GS-Alpha 15th January 2020 20:35


Originally Posted by Heisenb3rg (Post 10663783)
sorry, another part time question... if you were 75% 3 on / 1 off, could you tag your leave weeks onto the part time week off? And what about the DFW? And how would reserve work? Cheers

Yes you can bid for your leave and duty free weeks to abut your part time days, but this is subject to the normal leave bidding process and you having enough points to obtain the weeks you are wanting.

75% reserve takes place within your three weeks on (rather than a full timer’s 4 weeks), but you earn the same points as a full timer. There are 6 fixed days off within those 21 days (2 blocks of 3 days in long haul, and 3 blocks of 2 days in short haul).

V1_cut 17th January 2020 19:25

Anyone know good websites for interview prep? Is it always the case you will hear from day 1 after a few days or can the interview/group ex be taken after the mathematical and verbal reasoning section?

capt.sparrow 17th January 2020 20:27

There has been some opportunity to make a whole day of it and do a combined testing, interview and group ex all in one day. When you get invited to first stage and book online have a look if a combined stage 1 and 2 is available. Otherwise you will do them separately. Re interview - it's all competency based ie tell me a time when.... Make sure you know why you want to join and know your stuff else you'll be weeded out!

g118 22nd January 2020 08:59

Any news about the pool?
 
Any news on starting dates/fleets soon. Last people out of the pool? Thanks. Best luck to all.


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