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Originally Posted by RexBanner (Post 10514696)

I’m talking about the many people ahead of me who have valid bids this year (and as Icanseeclearly and Jaffo320 have said it’s in the hundreds) and are being bypassed again by Long Haul DEP.

Sure, there are freeze periods for the various fleets, but I am not aware that anybody can automatically expect to move from SH to LH just because their freeze period has expired. If the projected calendar requires pilots in place when a new fleet is coming on line, and a soon-to-be-unfrozen pilot misses the seats available, whilst unfortunate for said pilot, there is little they can do about it. It is largely just a case of bad luck on the timing.

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Originally Posted by Joe le Taxi (Post 10510528)

It beats me why a bunch of new joiners don't club together and mount a legal challenge against the application of seniority in BA -open and shut case.

I am sure that this is because it isn't an open and shut case. If it was, someone would have leapt at it long before now.

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Originally Posted by GS-Alpha (Post 10514821)

It does indeed cost money, but agreements cost money, as do salaries. Training will probably be a nightmare next year with lots of jumbos leaving and A350s arriving. Plenty of shorthaul FOs will be denied moves to long haul, but if I were a betting man, I would wager it will be because the vast majority of P350s will come from current 747 FOs.

Extra crews will be required for 4x 777-300 due to crewing ratio. At some stage fleet numbers will also have to be expanded above break even to account for arrival of 777-9 in 2021 timelines. My bet is both 78 and 77 will be overcrewed at some point to allow rapid re-training due to type similarities between 77/78 and 777-9. My guess is most of this will come from 747 and DEP, with a350 moves coming from SH. Cross training has to be much cheaper than a full type rating, both in training costs and salary.

Not sure whether there is a shorter course for 320/321 to 350 but if there is, costs alone indicate it makes sense for a shorter more productive course to be allocated?

I believe the A320 to A350 conversion is a smaller training footprint so that could indeed result in the company preferring to send people from shorthaul to the A350 as you say. I’d also say generally, the more senior 747 SFOs prefer to stick with Boeing so that too would have them preferring the 777 courses you predict. However, the surplus 747 guys will have to go somewhere and they definitely won’t be favouring short haul. I’m sure the vast majority of those released from short haul will indeed be destined for the A350 and A380, simply because the more senior 747 guys moving will have bids in for the Boeing courses. However, the less senior 747 guys (once Boeing courses are filled) will end up on A350 and A380 ahead of short haul. I think this will all happen naturally as a result of general bidding tendencies though, and will have very little to do with training costs, even though the two drivers correlate. Basically as a generalisation, the more senior who haven’t already headed to Airbus prefer to stay Boeing, which will result in those courses filling up first.

Can’t be many seats available on the 380, my friend. Pretty surprised that we’ve got 2 DEP’s in training, tbh.

Cheers

Buter

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Originally Posted by GS-Alpha (Post 10517693)

. Basically as a generalisation, the more senior who haven’t already headed to Airbus prefer to stay Boeing, which will result in those courses filling up first.

many of the senior FOs are actually electing for SH command... especially those a ways off LH command but with enough seniority to have a cushy lifestyle on SH, with the extra Moolah command brings.

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I’m talking about the many people ahead of me who have valid bids this year (and as Icanseeclearly and Jaffo320 have said it’s in the hundreds) and are being bypassed again by Long Haul DEP.

I don't think this is anything new at BA. Happened at some point to everyone who joined in the last decade.

Yep, agree with the Ferret. I wanted LH when I joined, was A320 rated and was offered and accepted a start date for SH as “no LH places available”. The next week 4 guys from my base at ezy got offered DEP 747. Just the way it is. Get a start date, get your seniority number and after 5 years you have a lot options.

A LH DEP will be disproportionately junior for much longer than someone who does the initial freeze on SH. Whether that is a price worth paying to bypass the A320 rostering is down to personal circumstance/prior experience and, most importantly, perspective. Seniority is everything in BA. I can’t see that changing any time soon.

Interview and group info

Has anyone recently attended Stage 2? Any latest info on interview and group exercise? Thanks a lot!!!

I know the recruitment cycle finished on 30th June, but any idea if recruitment will reopen later this year?

Full? Yet we have bronze command due to a shortage of flight crew. I understand if they upgrade to a silver command call that a tray of sandwiches is delivered so watch this space.

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Originally Posted by bex88 (Post 10533755)

Full? Yet we have bronze command due to a shortage of flight crew. I understand if they upgrade to a silver command call that a tray of sandwiches is delivered so watch this space.

Is that Bronze command to desperately find an excuse to blame it on since they can't blame it on our bidding anymore under JSS :)

Good Evening All

I've got a Day 1 Assesment coming up, in a couple of weeks. (2nd try). I’ve been reviewing with “Job Test Prep”, and was wondering if anyone who had been through Day 1 recently would be willing to share their experience or have any advice on other sources for revision material.

Thanks in advance.

Ladies & Gents, good evening,

Just got the invitation to come over to LHR next month for the 1st stage. Any tips on a good prep? Thanks in advance!

Stephan

Tips: broadening your question to include Ladies?

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Originally Posted by BleedingOn (Post 10552065)

Tips: broadening your question to include Ladies?

better..;)?

Anyone in the pool know when the last job offers went out? Heard there were some recent 350 offers sent out

Hi when did BA Direct Entry Modular pilot close, when does it open again? Thanks.

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Originally Posted by CaptainPugwash12 (Post 10560374)

Hi when did BA Direct Entry Modular pilot close, when does it open again? Thanks.

DEP modular closed at the end of May. Sorry, don't know when it might re-open. I'm still waiting to be given an interview date from that one

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Originally Posted by Marty-Party (Post 10565860)

Apologies if this has already been posted. Anyone not turning up for their duty today has had their pay deducted for the entire trip (e.g. 5 - 6 day) not just the days of the strike. It has also been deducted at the credited hours for that trip even though the flight has been cancelled. Office workers would be penalised by one day of pay for each day they didn't work. BA pilots have been penalised by the whole cost of the trip at their full rate. Some have calculated that at this rate of deduction, they will have a negative pay check after missing two rostered trips on strike days.

Additionally, all have lost staff travel for 3 years, lost any company wide bonus for this year, lost any pilot only bonus for 2017-19 as negotiated two years ago, no access to overtime rate to pick up trips (this is probably fair enough), plus no chance to bid for a fleet change on long haul - for ever ! This punishment has been in the planning for several weeks as the emails were sent out within hours of a failed report. If anyone thinks this is not a predetermined program by BA to break BALPA and the pilots then they are being naïve.

So if anyone thinks it will be better to cave in now and accept the consequences, the above shows the aims of BA. Break the pilots and tear up any industrial agreements. I feel sorry for the guys with long careers ahead if this is allowed to happen.

Anyone considering applying to this company under the current Leadership team, have a good hard look at this post, talk to a few people on the inside and have a good hard think about whether this is the kind of company you want to work for. The intimidatory tactics used on pilots including potentially illegal salary deductions and the complete lack of a duty of care towards its employees (there are stories floating around of non striking pilots who are sole carers for their children being stuck downroute, who have now been told to make their own way home). The behaviour of the company at this point is disgusting and where are the CAA in all this when pilots are being coerced with threats of massive pay deductions way in excess of one day’s worth of strike action? The impact on the mental health of its workforce cannot be understated and is a flight safety risk when they come back to work.

I wouldn’t wish this company on my worst enemy right now.

Has anyone been called yet for a start date in the new year?