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SpainHire 21st March 2019 09:54


Originally Posted by italian stallion (Post 10425390)
Just been invited to an assessment , but now after reading this thread I'm not sure anymore..
nothing mentioned yet about paying for type rating, and I need to fund my own airfare and accommodation, for an airline with 3 daily flight from my city......

Are you a new pilot or experienced? Only new pilots have to pay and it was clearly written on the job description document before you applied....

wiggy 21st March 2019 12:02


Originally Posted by italian stallion (Post 10425390)
Just been invited to an assessment , but now after reading this thread I'm not sure anymore..
nothing mentioned yet about paying for type rating, and I need to fund my own airfare and accommodation, for an airline with 3 daily flight from my city......

As SpainHire has pointed out as it stands DEPs are not being asked to fund the type rating.

I'd offer the option that you are right to be concerned about only having 3 daily "commuting" flights...it can be done, but stating the obvious you can end up with a lot of "dead" time, either at LHR after arriving or before going home.


wiggy 21st March 2019 12:20


Originally Posted by Justanothervoice (Post 10425150)
Minimal days off on weekends for junior pilots seems to be a very prevalent theme.

So the only realistic expectation for weekends off are going to those that have been booked through "Gold" days and leave. What is the leave allowance? Is it based on seniority or is it points based depending on what leave you had the previous year (Peak summer/Christmas ect.)?

Thanks.

Basic answer follows..open to correction/amplification.

Two leave "seasons" - Summer & Winter.

In each season you are entitled to 14 days leave and one Duty free Week (DFW)

So total 28 leave days and 2 X DFWs every twelve months

Leave can be taken as one 14 day block ( traditionally starts on a Saturday, though under JSS you may now be able to slide leave start by +- I think 3 days) or two 7 day blocks ( starting on a Saturday, now also subject to possible "slide").

One block has a couple of "wrap" days before where the company can't assign work ..the other block has "wrap" days after. Those days accrue zero credit.

You cannot break annual leave down into any smaller blocks, such as single days or two day blocks .

DFW is a single week, with one (optional) credit free day of free duty before it starts.

leave is awarded on the basis of a points system..if points are equal senority rules.

HTH.

eckhard 21st March 2019 15:21

Just to add to Wiggy’s excellent post, one of the benefits of the DFW is that you can elect to work during some or all of it, thereby earning extra credit which can be ‘spent’ by taking days off elsewhere. Thus, if the dates of DFW awarded are not your first choice, you can maybe get some better free days. This used to be easier under bidline and I’m no expert on JSS but worth considering anyway. You can’t work during leave, so that is the main difference.

Stocious 21st March 2019 23:18

You can work during all leave at LGW though.

BitMoreRightRudder 22nd March 2019 09:04


Originally Posted by Stocious (Post 10426236)
You can work during all leave at LGW though.

You sure? Do you mean by selling it back?

Northern Monkey 22nd March 2019 14:55


Originally Posted by hunterboy (Post 10425508)
As far as Parental leave goes, BA are pretty accommodating as long as you aren’t for school holidays off. As you can imagine, there is a waitlist for the public/school holiday periods, but outside that, you’d stand a pretty good chance . I believe you can only use 4 weeks a year per child though?


This hasn't been my experience. Out of 4 applications for parental leave I have only been successful once. On top of that it is never approved out of the gate, it is always waitlisted and you are left unable to make plans.

Jock Trapped 22nd March 2019 15:57


Originally Posted by Northern Monkey (Post 10426833)
This hasn't been my experience. Out of 4 applications for parental leave I have only been successful once. On top of that it is never approved out of the gate, it is always waitlisted and you are left unable to make plans.

Do you mind me asking if for the other 3 they offered you alternative dates? The theory goes that you can ask for upto 4 weeks per year per child and whilst your employer can refuse, has to give you an alternative time within 6 months of the original date requested.

(FWIW I tried that argument at a previous employer and they offered dates unpaid that I was already due to be on leave, not really in the spirit!!)

Stocious 22nd March 2019 16:41


Originally Posted by BitMoreRightRudder (Post 10426515)


You sure? Do you mean by selling it back?

Very sure. You can swap trips onto LGW leave without issues or do overtime, done it many times.

Riskybis 22nd March 2019 19:09


Originally Posted by Busdriver01 (Post 10427037)
I read somewhere else in the depths of this site that long haul layovers are to eventually be reduced to 24hrs. Any truth to that or just plain rumour mill? Doesn’t sound like time for much more than dinner, very short sightseeing trip if you can be bothered, sleep, eat, fly home...

when I used to be at BA , Seattle was a night stop and supposedly rumours that SFO/LAX may get reduced to 1 night

wiggy 22nd March 2019 20:08


Originally Posted by Busdriver01 (Post 10427037)
I read somewhere else in the depths of this site that long haul layovers are to eventually be reduced to 24hrs. Any truth to that or just plain rumour mill? Doesn’t sound like time for much more than dinner, very short sightseeing trip if you can be bothered, sleep, eat, fly home...




It has been “suggested” by one of the very senior management...:*

I think it went something along the lines of “ you know, if you reduced rest down route it would mean more time at home”......I might be wrong but the follow up might have. been something to do with having a bridge to sell.

I guess the idea might get some traction with those who get bored with LAX, HKG or SFO etc but I don’t think most people are interested so IMHO it’s not an immediate threat but it is obviously on a wish list.

Riskybis - the slip timings you describe, a consequence of the ancient and cunningly named “West Coast agreement”, are still intact.

V737 25th March 2019 08:58

I recently applied for BA and now I have to complete an online assessment. Can anyone give me some more details about what to expect?

Thank you!

Jumbo2 25th March 2019 12:19


Originally Posted by V737 (Post 10429053)
I recently applied for BA and now I have to complete an online assessment. Can anyone give me some more details about what to expect?

Thank you!

Is that for BA mainline or BA cityflyer?

Both vacancies show on the BA.com career website but as far as I'm aware an online assessment is not part of the BA mainline selection.

BA mainline selection:
-Online application
-Day 1; Verbal and Numerical Reasoning and a computer test
-Day 2; Interview and Group exercise
-Day 3; Simulator assesment

DuctOvht 26th March 2019 09:39

Are you sure he/she isn’t talking about the pre-selection personality profile, or has that been canned?

onichols1 26th March 2019 11:49

Can anyone shed any light on the Maths test? Is it the same as the FPP?

V737 26th March 2019 16:18


Originally Posted by onichols1 (Post 10430265)
Can anyone shed any light on the Maths test? Is it the same as the FPP?

It is quite easy, just make sure you work quick enough.

ph-sbe 26th March 2019 18:21


Originally Posted by Riskybis (Post 10427046)
SFO/LAX may get reduced to 1 night

Bad idea. More fatigued crew in 0A/B will not improve safety statistics.

Justanothervoice 27th March 2019 15:46

Is there any truth in plans to change how reserve is allocated to address the senior/junior imbalance of working weekends? I've heard that basically the more weekends you work, the less reserve periods you'll be allocated. Thus, some senior guys may start electing to do more weekend work to avoid reserve I suppose?

RexBanner 27th March 2019 17:45

Not really true. The points you accrue by doing weekend work under JSS only become used as a tiebreaker when assigning reserve periods to people with otherwise equal points. (According to recent posts on yammer). Weekend points therefore make absolutely naff all difference to the frequency you’ll do reserve as a junior pilot, especially as all the junior guys will have broadly equal weekend points as they’re the ones who’ll be working all of them!

Justanothervoice 27th March 2019 20:02


Originally Posted by RexBanner (Post 10431644)
Not really true. The points you accrue by doing weekend work under JSS only become used as a tiebreaker when assigning reserve periods to people with otherwise equal points. (According to recent posts on yammer). Weekend points therefore make absolutely naff all difference to the frequency you’ll do reserve as a junior pilot, especially as all the junior guys will have broadly equal weekend points as they’re the ones who’ll be working all of them!

Thanks for clarifying.

Is this disparity of lifestyle between junior and senior pilots something that is trying to be addressed? I'm in a seniority based airline and while rosters are meant to have some seniority weighting, it doesn't seem to be anywhere near as critical as at BA. Is this just going to be a fact of life at BA or is there a push for some change while maintaining some advantage of being senior?


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