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Originally Posted by Jumbo2
(Post 10404159)
Colour scheme is a combination of White, Blue and Dark Blue.
also Red and White |
I just posted this in the interviews section but thought I'd re-post seeing as it's made me so irrate :rolleyes:
New junior pilot recruitment campaign announced for LGW - 18k fee for the type rating...... Has there been any internal chat/anger about this? I'm surprised there's anyone left in the recruitment team, I would have thought most would have walked by now to avoid having their own reputation tarnished by this madness. To emphasise, this is an airline who just this week announced a 2.6 billion pound profit. Investing in 100 new pilots type ratings would cost (much) less than 0.1% of those profits, but it would appear that any sense of social responsibility has now been long forgotten. |
Originally Posted by Tay Cough
(Post 10404116)
Probably because a lot of people are now leaving early on, which never happened in the past. I’m reliably informed of 20 or so heading elsewhere (to the same place in fact - no, not telling on here) in the next couple of months. Makes you wonder why...? I think its reading far too much into it to blame that on BA. Is it prohibited to say KLM? |
Originally Posted by Hotel Mode
(Post 10404216)
I think its reading far too much into it to blame that on BA.
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Originally Posted by Hotel Mode
(Post 10404216)
Having flown with a few of them, they are going to their national carrier who are recruiting DEPs for the first time in living memory. Given many of them live there and have no certainty as non uk nationals or residents that BA can employ them post Brexit I think they are making a good call. They will all be missed though.
I think its reading far too much into it to blame that on BA. Is it prohibited to say KLM? There are quite a few of their countrymen who are staying though. Just saying.... |
Originally Posted by Tay Cough
(Post 10404324)
Not really. Thought I'd leave it to someone else. :}
There are quite a few of their countrymen who are staying though. Just saying.... KLM offers a far better package. |
£18k upfront or an £18k 3yr reducing bond?
The latter is fair enough if ppl are leaving but the former is a new sad low. My company will unfortunately follow suit I imagine once they realise they can also squeeze some more cash out of new joiners. |
£18k up front :yuk: |
What’s the BALPA position on BA new hires paying for type ratings?
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Nothing heard.
My guess is post the Open Skies debacle a few years back BALPA are now fairly cagey about commenting on the company's dealings with prospective employees... |
First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—Because I was not a socialist..........
This is not a BA specific problem, but the unwillingness / inability of airline pilots and their unions to take any form of action to protect terms for new joiners is staggering. This "I'm all right jack" attitude eventually harms everyone, yet seemingly nobody in the unions can see it. If BA are worried about people leaving then make them sign a bond, or even better, focus on making BA such a good place to work nobody wants to leave in the first place. Charging upfront for type ratings is unjustifiable and a few years ago would have been unthinkable at BA. |
As many have been saying for quite some time now, BA is nothing like the airline it was even just a few years ago. Things which would have been unthinkable years ago are absolutely on the table now. The rot has accelerated massively and the unions are pretty much impotent to do anything about it. It’s like a snowball rolling down hill; if you don’t stop it early on it will have gathered so much mass and velocity that it becomes unstoppable. I personally think the point where unions could stop it passed many years ago. The only thing to stop it now will be market forces - people refusing to join or large numbers of people leaving. In fact the mixed fleet cabin crew model requires a fairly high turn over as they don’t want people staying for ages and demanding extra pay for their loyalty. That same unacceptable attrition rate will exist for pilots too, although they’d want them to stay longer, but I bet we are nowhere near it at the moment, therefore IAG will think it’s still acceptable to keep turning the thumb screws. As long as they just take as much as can be stomached at a time, chip chip chip, marginal gains and all that. Change happens faster than it used to; the second a chip is taken, the chisel is already cracking the next bit. Our employer no longer cares about anything but improving efficiencies and therefore operating margins. And we no longer just compare ourselves to others; we chase that improved operating margin no matter how high it already is. If employee attrition versus recruitment starts to effect that operating margin, things will change, otherwise expect more of the same. |
If BA are worried about people leaving then make them sign a bond, or even better, focus on making BA such a good place to work nobody wants to leave in the first place. Charging upfront for type ratings is unjustifiable and a few years ago would have been unthinkable at BA. |
Originally Posted by Stocious
(Post 10405731)
They aren't worried about people leaving. We can see who leaves the company every month, and I only need one hand to keep count of them.
They've got no shortage of applicants alas, otherwise there might be bigger appetite from bosses to introduce better terms! |
They simply cant get enough DEPs to join BA short haul because of the state it is in. It has nothing to do with 'wanting to make BA accessible to everyone' or whatever they spin it as. They want cheap FO's and it is as simple as that. You are an annoying cost to this company as a pilot. At least other places you knew where you stood. The pretend statements of really valuing our contributions e.t.c made by Klaus and not worth the paper they are written on. Think very carefully about coming here for SH. You can listen to the BA fans if you want but don't be surprised when you get here!
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Short Haul honestly isn’t that bad. I moan more than most and even I can acknowledge that. If you get a SH offer also remember its a gateway into one of the most secure places in the industry and eventually a long haul slot if that’s what you’re after. It’s no bed of roses but to pretend it’s some never ending nightmare is also far from the truth. Charging new entrants £18k for a type rating though? For BA that’s disgraceful. |
What has happened to my national airline? It seems as if I want to come back from the sandpit now the only reasonable option is RYR and I don't really know how reasonable that is....
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Originally Posted by RexBanner
(Post 10405888)
Charging new entrants £18k for a type rating though? For BA that’s disgraceful. |
How many fingers per hand have you got |
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