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kendrick47247 26th December 2018 10:37


Originally Posted by LeMoul (Post 10344688)
Hi! Can someone who attended stage 3 confirm the sim is on 767 now?

Thanks

All 767 now, and for the foreseeable future apparently

Phantom4 26th December 2018 11:34

Don't put your mortgage on it being 767.Revise 747 RR and GE pitch power.

738BusDriver 26th December 2018 12:20

Stage 3 Sim
 
Hi all,

Merry Xmas.

Who is booked in for sim assessment on Jan 8th at 0930? PM me if so.


wiggy 26th December 2018 12:37


Originally Posted by Phantom4 (Post 10344721)
Don't put your mortgage on it being 767.Revise 747 RR and GE pitch power.

Puzzled of BA here ...747 GE in the context of BA?

Phantom4 26th December 2018 13:52

Brief for sim has pitch power for 767,744 RR and GE just in case sim tech or decommissioned would switch to 744 in whichever configuration.GE third party work.

wiggy 26th December 2018 13:59

Ah I see, thanks :ok:

cessnapete 26th December 2018 20:09

When flying for GSS we occasionally used BA 744 sim, which could quite quickly be reconfigured for GE engines.
GSS used leased Atlas B774F with GE power plant.

crazypilot 28th December 2018 20:53

No sim dates?
 
Hi all,

Hope everyone had a good Christmas and didn’t work too hard!

I did my interview / group ex stage mid November, received the “please book your sim assessment” email shortly after but still yet to have any dates populated on the careers website. Don't suppose anyone knows if they will be releasing dates soon or have they forgotten about me? 🙈

Many thanks!

Dupre 29th December 2018 00:10

Crazypilot, this is common. Don't worry they haven't forgotten about you, just keep checking regularly for slots to be added to the system. They get snapped up pretty quickly so don't dilly dally when you see a date that you can make. I was waiting months, but that was probably an extreme case. Good luck!

crazypilot 29th December 2018 10:44

Good to know, thanks!


Originally Posted by Dupre (Post 10346285)
Crazypilot, this is common. Don't worry they haven't forgotten about you, just keep checking regularly for slots to be added to the system. They get snapped up pretty quickly so don't dilly dally when you see a date that you can make. I was waiting months, but that was probably an extreme case. Good luck!


GE115b 31st December 2018 11:14

Wondering if someone could help me out with some figures?

I am curious; what is the current basic salary for a long haul FO with 5 years seniority in the company? I've played around with the figures on ppjn and I'm guessing it is circa £78,500 gross basic pa?

How much would be paid into their pension in a year?

Is there profit sharing at BA or a share scheme?

clvf88 31st December 2018 11:36


Originally Posted by GE115b (Post 10348018)
Wondering if someone could help me out with some figures?

I am curious; what is the current basic salary for a long haul FO with 5 years seniority in the company? I've played around with the figures on ppjn and I'm guessing it is circa £78,500 gross basic pa?

How much would be paid into their pension in a year?

Is there profit sharing at BA or a share scheme?

On top of this, would anyone be able to clarify what other payments are made? I'm aware of the 'flight pay' and 'away from base' payments. Is there anything else we should factor into our calculations, i.e overnight, overtime, disruption payments etc?

Many thanks :)

Eddie_Crane 31st December 2018 14:29


Originally Posted by GE115b (Post 10348018)
Wondering if someone could help me out with some figures?

I am curious; what is the current basic salary for a long haul FO with 5 years seniority in the company? I've played around with the figures on ppjn and I'm guessing it is circa £78,500 gross basic pa?

How much would be paid into their pension in a year?

Is there profit sharing at BA or a share scheme?

Your figures are way wide of the mark.
Basic for LH FO at pp5/34 is just over £67K.

If you pay 6% into pension, BA will pay 15.6%.

No share scheme. There has been some profit sharing, but peanuts really compared to the £Bn profits.

VinRouge 31st December 2018 14:52


Originally Posted by Eddie_Crane (Post 10348145)


Your figures are way wide of the mark.
Basic for LH FO at pp5/34 is just over £67K.

If you pay 6% into pension, BA will pay 15.6%.

No share scheme. There has been some profit sharing, but peanuts really compared to the £Bn profits.

Longhaul With 16k duty pay/allowances, not really that far off the mark. Year 3 on 75% contract I've heard a few individuals quote 4300 a month including allowances and pension/BAlpa fees deducted. As you are only removing the bit you are paying 40% tax on, the impact to net is more like a 17% reduction vice 25% gross. I think typical allowances on a 3/4 trip month longhaul on 75% contract are around 1300-1500 gross.

wiggy 31st December 2018 15:07


Originally Posted by clvf88 (Post 10348042)
On top of this, would anyone be able to clarify what other payments are made? I'm aware of the 'flight pay' and 'away from base' payments.

I’ll let one of the newer joiners come up with actual numbers but general observation..

You’ve come up with the two main variables to add to basic: flying pay and time away from base payment..

Closest to an “overnight payment” is the “Daily Overseas Allowance”...which will not make you a millionare..

Overtime (if you can fit it in) is available ...but doesn’t pay a staggeringly high multiple of the normal rate.

Disruption payments (and similar such as the much lamented “lateness credit) have been whittled down over the years and on Longhaul only really starts to kick in if you are a day late back into base or more, so it is not something you can plan on as a regular top up to the income.




Enzo999 31st December 2018 16:23

Year 5 L/H FO basic is £67658

Additional pay is as follows.

flight pay block to block £10 per hour
Time away from base (starts getting paid at check in and stops at check out in LHR) £3 something an hour of which about 30% is tax free although that won’t last much longer.

I would say factor in about another 15 to 18k a year in flight pay and TAFB pay.

Bonus forget about it, apparently there was some share scheme but I have never been paid out from it so I would write that off to.

Pension as previously mentioned 6/15.6%

overtime will be paid at about £60 per hour of credit (which I still don’t understand properly).

As with most things at BA the rostering/Pay/contracts/agreements are so complicated it’s almost impossible to give you a straight forward answer to the question.

GE115b 31st December 2018 17:00

Thanks for the figures.

Very surprising to be honest; a lot of people would be giving up commands on 737/320s if joining BA. I didn't realise that the pay cut you would have to take is so dramatic!

clvf88 31st December 2018 19:27

Thanks for taking the time to post the numbers gents.

GE115B - agreed.

Riskybis 1st January 2019 08:05

The pay isn’t the reason to get into BA , I honestly think the main reason people want to get into this weird outfit is to “fly the flag” , “to fly to serve” . Just awful :ugh:

wiggy 1st January 2019 08:30


Originally Posted by Riskybis (Post 10348590)
The pay isn’t the reason to get into BA , I honestly think the main reason people want to get into this weird outfit is to “fly the flag” , “to fly to serve” . Just awful :ugh:



If you think that is the “main” reason, or has even been on the radar of any of us had for joining BA in recent years or even 20 or 30 years ago I think you are to put it very politely very very badly mistaken. If you have gathered that opinion whilst working in BA I can only think have been keeping very strange company and I won’t ask what fleet you are on.

I’ve been in BA just a few decades and In all honesty I have never ever heard any crew (pilots or cabin crew) parroting those old and somewhat dated advertising slogans as their reason for joining....at all..ever.
.
More likely reasons for joining I have heard from my pilot colleagues are things like being based in the south east U.K, being able to fly the likes of the 747, 777, 787, even the 380....In days of old people joined in part because it was a company with a decent pension scheme, and a “world leading rostering system” (stop laughing at the back) and the Aspirational bid system was and is a plus because it still allows people to dabble in Shorthaul, move to Longhaul, see the world..etc.

Just my MHO though (oh, I do agree with your comment about pay)








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