Wirbelsturm,

Can you define 'soon'?

Unfortunately ....... no!


Time is very subjective in BA!


Sorry

PP34
 

Hi all,

Does anyone know if the new PP34 BA pay scales are published anywhere (they are not published on PPJN) or would anyone be kind enough to post them here?

Thanks in advance.

Hi,

They do not publish the scales anywhere AFAIK, but PP1 starts at about £50k and goes up by about £1750 a year. There are the various allowances to be added to that as well.

Regards

Binsleepin is correct,

The 'basic' is pensionable ( ;) ) and the variable is paid depending upon how much you work or the value of the trips you choose/are assigned. Less popular trips come with higher credit and higher pay. The pensionable pay was stabilised higher about 10 years ago with a reduction in the variable pay which used to make up between 40-50% of you monthly take home, good news for those joining on BARP!

The variable pay is also taxed at a different rate to the basic pay so you get to keep more of it however the HMRC expect you to spend it all out of country for the tax privilege :E.

I'm pretty certain there will be no non-rated DEP recruitment in either 2014 or 2015 so unless you've already got something useful on your licence you're probably out of luck for the next couple of years. Also, I'm not quite sure what Wirbelstrum means when he says that "Less popular trips come with higher credit." Credit is calculated either using flying hours or time away from base (or a minimum amount differing for short and long haul); there is no adjustment for popular or unpopular trips. Singapore, Hong Kong, Bangkok etc are extremely popular trips and also attract some of the highest credit.

Wrong choice of words probably, perhaps 'credit efficient' would have been better.

Ah ok. Understand now.

Retirement age?
 

Does BA still have a compulsory retirement age?
Or have they been obliged by legislation to do away with the 60 or 65 cutoff?

So no rumours of any DEP, is it safe to assume that no DEP recruitment will take place this year 2014 for sure including half of 2015?

Just a point of note on FPP; I think the original press releases said that BA would look to recruit 800 pilots over the next 5 years, 400 would be FPP and the other 400 would be DEP or ex-Military.

In terms of FPP numbers, the first intake was 92, the second last year was 74 and I think this year is 60 (correct me if I'm slightly off!) so it seems that the FPP average of 80 a year is not being met as we stand.

By the sounds of it the DEP recruitment is also nothing like 80 a year (perhaps owing to the bmi takeover and influx of pilots from that, or additional ex-mil guys), so perhaps BA have just been biding their time a little while things pick up and in 2014-16 we could see some serious movement?

As a company, no.

Clearly BA pilots are unable to exercise the privileges of their licence after their 65th birthday under current ICAO rules, and therefore have to leave BA.

If and when ICAO remove that restriction, or extend it, then so does the ability to work for BA...

At which point there will be a large revolt!!!

I for one look forward to an A380 command at the age of 80!

Was there a revolt when the 55 changed o 60?:hmm:
Or the 60 changed to 65?:rolleyes::ugh::ugh:

I retired when the Normal and Compulsory retirement ages were both 55, but I was keen to retire and get on with the rest of my life - on a great pension. I also grabbed the opportunity (post 9/11) of 3 years of 50% part time before retiring.
I suppose that 55 year olds now will no longer be near the top of the bidline so will be tempted to stay on for a chance to cream off the best trips.
There was talk (way back) that those electing to stay on after retirement age should start losing seniority, instead of gaining more (to encourage those with full pensions to retire). I don't suppose that ever happened?

Why should anyone be forced to retire on the grounds of reaching 65? This will be challenged in court before very long.

Which court do you use to challenge ICAO :hmm:

I'm not sure to be honest. The fact remains that it is blatant age discrimination. You could pass your sim, medical and line check within three days and then be fired on the fourth, just because of a birthday. I've flown with plenty of people well into their sixties who are in far better physical and mental shape than some half their age. It is surely only a matter of time before a legal challenge is mounted. Maybe in one of the many EU courts?

As it stands, I will be forced to retire at 65 and wait until 67 before my state pension kicks in. And I'll bet the farm that will move before I get there.

You don't have to. The 65 age limit is only an ICAO "Recommendation", not a "Standard".

Personnel Licensing FAQ

True, maybe. I would however expect this to be the minority. Just like you see 67 year olds running a marathon, i.e. they are in the minority.

Wouldn't it be better to just bale out gracefully rather than watch things go downhill and end up being pushed? Lets face it, we can't go on forever. Its quite similar to OAP drivers who continue to drive when you really would rather not have to put up with them, but they just don't know when to call it a day.

When you get to 65 go play golf or do some weeding. There's more to life. By then you'll probably have such a massive airline pilot pension pot that you shouldn't need to do it anymore.

I fully intend to pack in well before 65. However, who knows what might happen before then? A Greek Government style raid on our savings? An expensive divorce? The fact remains that if someone can pass all the checks, then they should be allowed to continue in their role. Otherwise, what is the point of any checking in the first place?

763 jock the problem with that is you are then on a very slippery slope. If you do away with the age limits you're on the way to having a 90 year old Captain responsible for the lives of hundreds of people down the back, up front with one of those much less fit 50 year olds you quoted who barely passes his medical every year. (And that's inevitable too seeing as you're gonna see a lot older FO's sitting in the RHS with Captains who refuse to retire)

He's an exceptional 90 year old and has passed all the checks. But are you really happy with this situation as a passenger? Yes it's at the extreme end of the scale but that's still what you're potentially heading towards. I do not want to expand on my previous analogy except simply to say the line has to be drawn somewhere.

The recommendation only applies to co-pilots. It is mandated for Captains.

Re post #185
 

Wish they had a 'like' button sometimes on this forum

@ NigelonDraft

So, Captains could give up their command and go back in the RHS.

No-one is being disadvantaged. The "aged" captain still has a job and a co-pilot gains their command.

Everybody happy now?

Narrow Runway the people trying to get into the company on the bottom rung certainly wouldn't be! ;-)

Of course. Point taken.

However, those new joiners don't really figure in BA's plans until they're in the system. Therefore, it is difficult to factor their needs into this hypothetical discussion.

Perhaps Carbheatout could tell me which company is offering this massive pension pot so I can apply before the scheme is closed.