There are plenty of flexi crew whose 12 month hours are getting under 600 now so you can't even bank on 650!

So you get paid for the hours you fly. Nothing more, nothing less. Anyone know if you need to pay for your class one renewals? Seems the Parc deal is the better of the two.

No, you're paid for the SCHEDULED block hour. If you receive a slot in PMI one night and are delayed by 4 hours then you wait there for free and as a reward have tomorrows sectors and thus pay removed.

And yes, Parc are the better company to be with.

You are paid for scheduled block hours, standby, ground duties (sim,sep) and a night stop allowance for flying related duties. Your id and car park pass are paid for.
You pay for medicals, uniform, pension, loss of licence.
You are not eligible for any share schemes or commuter letters.
Rolling hours are 680 in the last 12 months.
Your at the mercy of crewing, called from standby for a duty can disrupt your roster so you cannot do your duty the day after, if that turns to a rest day it can quite easily be a loss of 200 - 400 and there's nothing you can do about it.

And the point is?

Frankly they could half the rates paid, add to the furlough period each winter, and charge a supreme Dowry just to join.

Come they would; in their droves! ;)

Those of you saying that the solution to stopping flexi is to ask people not to join on that contract are morons. That will never work... Ever!

Rather BALPA on the inside of this company need to stop it for the sake of ALL it's representatives both in and out of easyjet. It is unacceptable and BALPA are not protecting us. I'd consider cancelling my membership if they do nothing. Enough is enough!

But to say the solution to it is asking people not to sign up?! Morons!!

Can I also add about the CTC flexicrew contracts. You also earn 12% in addition to your 43/52 per hour as holiday pay. When you take leave this is paid in addition. You are also an employee of a company, therefore your tax and n.i is taken from your wages and there is employers n.i being paid. I also believe some parc guys based in europe and regularly being moved every 6 months due to their contract status. Perhaps a parc flexicrew could shed more light on that.

@bigjarv

...and cancelling your BALPA membership will achieve what exactly in the battle to improve Cadet T&C's?

I''m still waiting for someone to explain just what they think the workforce/BALPA can legally do. No one in their right mind is going to put their own livelihood at risk to help a non-employee/contractor etc - if you did, then indeed you would be the "moron" to quote bigjarv.

What are the "afflicted" doing to help themselves? If you want a new car and the price is 20% too high and the salesman absolutely will not budge, what do you do? Walk away. There gets a point when you just say no. Or you just take on the extra debt.... choose in haste, regret at your leisure.

We can fight for the ones already here but for the lemmings signing up to this now ...... I'm sorry but you're on your own :ugh:

Check this post here near the bottom of the page from me to you....

http://www.pprune.org/terms-endearme...uitment-7.html

My reply is the same!

I openly admit to being a moron from time to time but on this occasion I think you have unrealistic expectations of human nature! A bad opportunity to you looks like a great one to someone else!

You as the strong plenty on which the airline relies should be able to make your voice heard to the few who lead. That should be how the system works. It is you guys who are strong, NOT the new cadet.

Edited to say also that cancelling my BALPA membership shows BALPA that I don't think they are representing me because this flexi stuff will affect us all in or out of Easy. They should find a solution, thats what I pay my not insignificant subs for!

What the Union should be doing about it is simple. They should be handing management a proposal whereby all Easy pilots are employed on acceptable Ts and Cs as permanent staff or there will be a strike ballot.

Of course, the older guys on permanent contracts will stick their heads where the sun don't shine and not vote to strike, and then blame the union when they can't get a pay rise.

Just out of interest, what do BALPA charge flexicrew pilots in terms of membership fees. 1% of "salary" would amount to nothing wouldn't it, in your case? Get enough of you in and you will be able to have a ballot in which you can seriously influence the result.

Of course we have seen how BALPA reps fare in EZ...they morph into management. Same old, same old.

I honestly don't see the point in BALPA. I think I'll not bother joining them, I think I'll need the membership fees for food!

A note needs to be made about the fact that easyJet pays the full whack from day 1 for the CTC cadets as well, but CTC gets the majority of the money until the pay per hour sets in.

Probably the most narrow minded, ill thought out comment I've heard for a while.

Balpa may appear ineffectual to some, but they are all we have. With stagnant Flexicrew membership, Flexicrew will never seek recognition within CTC/Parc and terms and conditions will perpetually decline; indeed with inflation the way it is, Flexicrew are enduring a sizeable pay cut year on year.

Flexicrew Balpa membership is £2/month for the first 8 months (CTC), then £10/month thereafter. If you'd prefer to be £2 a month better off, rather than attempt to unite and improve matters, then you've clearly had a fairly sizeable Lobotomy!

It's clear that really a UK base is one to avoid if one aspires to fly the orange bus. None of this crap in Europe. And with European FOs earning more than UK captains really the joke is on everyone in the uk. Permanent skipper or flexi FO.

Not really a joke though is it, I'd bet that almost all of those in the UK would love to go out to Europe, but for whatever reason, can't.

Am I being really dumb?

What is the problem with any of this?

It is when you sit down and look at it. The crew of a British based aircraft combined earn less than the skipper of a European one. Why do they pay these guys so much more when the UK is where it all started?

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''m still waiting for someone to explain just what they think the workforce/BALPA can legally do. No one in their right mind is going to put their own livelihood at risk to help a non-employee/contractor etc....

Well that Non-employee / contractor sits next to you and your permanent contract colleagues in fact only a few feet away upfront. So they fly an Easyjet aircraft if the !!!!! hits the fan and the person in the left hand seat (YOU) had a medical problem it would be that Flexi crew Non employee colleague who'd have your fate and the 150+ pax fates in their hands!

I would have thought there were enough grounds to go on strike collectively based on Easy jet exploiting new joiners who cannot live properly, come to work unwell lowering safety so they don't lose their pay etc etc....It is a case of i'm alright Jack and sloping shoulders of those on good T&C's end of!

Anyone who thinks that a cadet turning around and saying NO will stop it is in cloud cuckoo land as the bloke behind him will say yes......to get a foot on the ladder, would any of us have been any different if it was the ONLY option when we finished training? Is today's youths mindset that different to us when we were in that positon? I dealt it....

It is when you as their Non colleagues say that you will no longer fly with someone on your flight deck who is being exploited. How none of you can see that grounding Easyjet in the UK until they change things wouldn't have the company on its knees within a week begging you to come back to work is beyond me.....:ugh:

Why doesn't such exploitation take place in Europe? Erm..........!

I do love armchair lawyers......yawn. :zzz:

Wow, scrap the highly paid lawyers here's a great suggestion :ugh: clearly you have no knowledge of UK law...

If it was this simple don't you think BALPA would've done something about it?

Phensocks... you got any ideas? Think this company needs one. If you have some thoughts we'd love to hear it!