Ryanair First Officers
 

Would any new Ryanair F/O's be prepared to E-mail me to discuss Ryanair terms and conditions as they were when they joined. I am considering applying, and would like to get a more accurate view of the company and its working conditions. Thanks very much in advance.

Nothing but rumors here, yeah?

Ryan Air Employment Conditions...
 

Hi,

I'm a 737 F/O with over 5500hrs and am considering joining Ryan Air ... Would like some UNBIASED information about the following...

1. average pay
2. accomodation costs
3. rostering patterns/leave
4. tax
5. additional information you might wish to jot down...
6. work conditions

Thanks for your help..


Delta Sierra

:uhoh: don't do it !!

Just to echo the above post, DONT DO IT!!:oh::oh:

I work for Ryanair as a Dispatcher and i only know 1 pilot out of the 12 or so i see per day that actually likes flying for them!

Most Captains and F/O's hate it, in a year and a half i've seen alot of CP's move to other airlines.

With 5500hrs you can do alot better, trust me!

A fraise i hear alot is ''If i wanted to be treated like a bus driver, i'd drive a damn bus!''

Your call....

Matt:ok:

I've heard that, although its schedules are not so bad, it's not a "career" airline by any means. A lot of people go to get hours and then look elsewhere.... EasyJet and BMI might be looking for 737 pilots - especially on the NG at Easy (although most hiring at Easy is in the Bus). I'd consider Thomsonfly as well - I hear they are expanding and have pretty good conditions.

Good luck and let us know how you do...

matty j

A "fraise" is a French Strawberry. Unless of course you were being witty regarding the number of "Johnny Foreigners" flying for Ryanair.

Anyhow, Ryanair are a shower of sh1t to work for.:yuk:

I work there and it does 'what it say on the tin'.

Have been there more than most now and I work hard and get well paid about 5K net a month and a fixed roster.

Its not perfect by any means but I am a 7000hr Captain and if there was something better out there like for like I would be doing it.

If you want to stay in the UK and in Low Cost and like me my priorities are time off and money you cant beat Ryanair.

As I always say you could do a lot worse!

if you want just money and no life,join ryanair.
if you want less money and good life quality,you will find it elsewhere.
don't underestimate how bad it is in ryanair.

Ryanair is fine as long as you can stay away from Stansted and Dublin.

Rocco in Budapest not much hope of that is there as most of the crews at some point will frequent STN & DUB......



Delta Sierra I say again, don't do it or least have a real serious think about WHY you would :*

I am a First Officer in Ryanair and here is exactly how I am being payed in the first 12 months:

Type rating (4-6 WEEKS):

No pay

You then wait 2-4 weeks for base training without pay. After base training you are on the training contract basic rate for 6 months. This is an annual rate of 8700 pounds. However, you do not start getting payed this until after line training. Line training takes 2-3 months so you are therefore only payed on this rate for 3-4 months. Sounds complicated? It is purposely so.Not only that, but the company reduces this initial rate by 1000 pounds every year or so without notice. Next year you might therefore expect the rate to be 7700 pounds.

So, from the start of type rating until conclusion of line training you will only have earned about 750 pounds (half sector pay after safety pilot release and no basic salary yet).

About 3.5 months now remain until you finish your training contract. On the annual rate of 8700 (remember this will reduce eventually) you will earn 2530 basic in this time. Also, you will earn 2800 sector pay.

To sum up so far:

Day 1 to completion of line check ( 4 months) = 750 pounds

Line check to end of training contract (3.5 months) = 5330 pounds

Total after 7.5 months with the company = 6080 pounds.

It will now have been 6 months since base check. You will now go on the basic second officer terms. This amounts to a basic annual rate of 14000 pounds and half sector pay for a further 6 months.

In these 6 months you will therefore earn 7000 pounds basic and about 4800 pounds sector pay. This basic rate is also being reduced annually without notice.

Ok, here are the final figures (before tax) for the first 12 months after the base check:

Basic pay: 9530 pounds

Sector pay: 8350 pounds

Total: 17880 Pounds.

You can expect to remain on second officer pay scale for 18 months after line check. This will probably increase to a greater time period as time goes by.

You'd get more as an ATC Assistant :p (and more respect)

Who supplies the "Gimp Mask"?

The company supply the Gimp Mask, payment of which is then deducted from your salary at a rate of £10 in perpetuity. You smile and accept this.

Tell us Wonder Boy, do you regret it yet?

Good god, that's frightening. Why do people accept this crap? Will it continue, for all our sakes I hope not....

As maxiumus ask's, was it worth it??

Truly awful wages. However, who becomes a pilot with the goal of becoming rich? Nobody sane. It's a sad fact that this business does not pay well relative to other occupations and there is scant respect for pilots as well. We are viewed as glorified bus drivers - commodities willing to wh0re ourselves out to build time...

Well, get your valuable 737NG time and then leave for greener pastures - just don't expect the pastures to be "much" greener...

Riker, why do you think that is? Might be something to do with the fact that alot of you youngsters are willing to bend over and grab your ankles and so lose sight of the real value that should be applied to our profession.:mad: Bus drivers my ass, the only ******* who use that term for us are management.

Nosey

Don't forget that before the enormous pay packet, you also have to fork out 23000 Euros for the type rating, at your own expense and risk, with no guarantee of employment (though it is fair to say the prospect of employment is high).

At least with some other lo-co operators, basic pay is much higher from the word go, and type rating loans are repaid to you over a (typically) 3 year period, though the initial risk and costs are still your own, also without any guarantee of employment.

Ryanair...
 

I dont think its entirely fair to comment that Ryanair always delivers what they say they will...they dont always "do what it says on the can"...

From the point of view of a type of flight crew of which Ryanair is already short of, yes, they will try and avoid scaring one away...

from the point of view of an F/O, against the long line of 200hr newborns, they will lie to you and constantly change the rules at every opportunity...

I have colleagues who have now been told they can wait another 6 months for their promotion...others are being informed the first 6 months after initial line check of half sector pay is now 6 months after permanent contract...

Fleet Chief 777???
 

Hi
Hope I don't drag this 'off topic' but did you mention that an ex Ruinair guy is on his way to our sandbox out here? Care to post that in the ME forum with a summary of what we camel drivers can expect???
Happy Christmas to all

Here we go again.
 

What Wonder Brat and the rest of the whingers fail to mention, Uplinker, is that you'll be flying a brand new glass NG Boeing. If like the others, you have no substantive experience to speak of, you might care to reflect on your great good fortune in having the opportunity, regardless of the starting T's and C's. Its a bit tough to begin with, but what worthwhile industry isn't? After the first year, you'll be taking home around 4000 quid per month after tax(UK bases). Worth a bit of discomfort in the beginning? I think so.

hi, i always hear people complaining about the ryans, but can i ask specifically why its so bad to fly for them?any examples / stories to tell?i am interested to hear because i hope to fly for them one day soon.

just as i suspected!why do the cadet FO's have it tough in the first year??

They are paid pitifully after forking out £loads at the start

maybe im dellusional but, i thought that was standard??:8

whoops, sorry bout my spelling there!:8

And after that if someone was from north of the border and wanted a base at PIK , would that take long?. And where would you likely be based until your choice came up.

Missed the point completely
 

Ms Turret, you missed the point completely. Don't you think flying a "brand new glass NG Boeing" is worth something?:rolleyes: Like pay? Your types of attitudes are hurting this industry and are precisely why the wages are so low, get it?

Roll up, roll up.
You'll be flying a brand new glass NG Boeing filled with unsuspecting passengers, that Mr O'Reilly is willing to let you practice on.

Pay us only 45 quid a day for 4 months, and then YOU get to ride for FREE.
Roll up, roll up. New Boeings!!

The figure is right on for a very good month. But next month it might be £2500.
Expect £3500/month average as SENIOR FO and that is not after the first year but more likely after 2...
But any way the money IS very good in FR

Twerps?
 

Personnel Agendas?

In the land of the blind...

The majority of pilots dont like Ryanair, and many leave on a constant basis...one of the reasons why they are constantly on the look out for new pilots...

There are plenty of anti-Ryanair related topics on this website, just run a quick search and take your pick...one got censored by "the plaintiff" when they threatened legal action against this site!!

just shows how they dampen things down...Ms. Turret is either naieve or not what he/she appears to be...

If...
 

you hear just one person blaming one company....disregard,

but when you see lots of them who fly there doing the same.....consider.

I`ve flown for a company with the same problems and believe me things are like the way people say.

But if you decide to join a company like Ryanair ,you are not going to jail.....you can always leave....



:ok: :ok:

Majority my arse, Chooks. The vast majority of folks, whinging English nothwithstanding, are contented campers at Ryanair. The number of people leaving Ryanair when considered against our 800 strong pilot corps is average for the industry.
The reason why we're on the lookout for pilots, Chooks old thing, is to staff our rapid expansion. And yes, private agenda. What the REPA thing is all about, even ignoring the vastly underwhelming exercise it has become, is the BALPA agenda to score a major LCC scalp, thereby entrenching the Pasha-like privileges of their legacy carrier members.

Missed the point, Nosegear? Thats some really first rate projection there! The opportunity for cadet pilots, those with nothing more than 300 hours in their logbooks, to commence their careers in so florid an environment as a highly profitable LCC is more than reward enough. The hardships only endure whilst one is under a training contract, and after that, the pay is anything but low, get it? The rewards of persistence and determination at Ryanair, as in life, are manifold.
:O

i love the way that the aussie refers to ryanair as "us" and "we".easy to see that he has not been on the recieving end of his beloved companies' training contract. crept in under the cover of brk when the turk was looking the other way.see you around the stn crewroom,yahoo!happy christmas.

cheers pete for the update!happy new year!

Your crews are campers? How about that?
So, start at Ryanair and bring your own tent? Hmm, at least our grinch lets us stay in the airplane for the 3 1/2 hour layover in ATH. :E

ryanair any positives
 

hi all,
I read the ryanair debate over and over again and I just wonder is there any positives from working with them, it all seems negative, I have friends that work there and like myself if had the chance jumped at paying for their type-rating. My friends tell me that they enjoy flying for them and say that it is a great opportunity and one downfall is that you find yourself living in places like italy and spain which is difficult if you are trying to watch your money in paying back loans.

This topic is for anyone working in ryanair that can give a positive side to the company and conditions if any. I would also like to know how they find taking out a loan for the type rating, paying it back and surviving on the low pay that ryanair are said to give low houred pilots.

It would be af great interest to hear how a recent low houred pilot has got on within the last couple of years from staring the typ rating with them, all feedback would be great

happy xmas and new year to all.

Hark! Tis the sound of church bells a ringin' in the distance :D

Missed again
 

You continue to miss the point Miss Turret. Lets not get into a slagging match as I think your comments on "stinking harbour", "do the chinese have that (xmas)?" show your complete ignorance of aviation and the wider world in general. I have never applied to Ryanair as I have no right of residency in Europe, just so you know where I stand. And do you honestly think I would trade where I am to work for Ryanair?? See above re: ignorance.:rolleyes:

Nosey

So Ms. Turret, we should all be thankful that we are able to put money into the pockets of the Ryanair execs but not expect fair compensation for doing it?

Do me a favour. In any company, the employees allow the company to function, they are then rewarded by getting paid for their labour. Why should pilots be any different?

Unfortunately people with your attitude seem to be becoming more and more prevalent in this industry and it's stuffing it up for everybody else as they try to "get ahead of the game."

Bosses like O'Leary are laughing their socks off, they can get highly qualified people at no cost and then they'll work for free aswell! Who are the idiots here? It certainly isn't MO'L..........