The horse has well and truly bolted. FULL STOP.

So you really think an FO on 20k on Monday with no benefits is going to jump to this magically protected LHS on Tuesday on 60k+ with full benefits? Because its only RHS Ts&Cs which have 'bolted'.

That is not how management work, that is not how a business works, that is not how the world works!

You think maybe Harry :mad: Potter has waved a wand over your LHS shouting Capitāneus Praesidium, Expelliarmus.....

Jesus! Get a grip people. Seriously. :ugh:

The FO on 20k will be offered the LHS for £30k, and he'll be delighted. DELIGHTED!

Management will HALF the LHS wage bill over the next 15 years. And they will double their bonuses, they will be DELIGHTED. Their wives will buy expensive shoes, and their wives will be DELIGHTED.

Profits will be up, Shareholders will be DELIGHTED.

Low fares for PAX, they will be DELIGHTED.

At some point in your delightful ignorance, you'll realize you are not all right - even if your name is Jack. The only 'jack' you will be getting is jack-:mad: on your P60.

:ugh:

The problem with the 'Im alright Jack' game, is that management are playing it too, and they are better at it than you are!

So, having opened the door to the room where the Elephant sits, the Trojan Horse galloped in and ran amok.

There is NOTHING that can be done to stop the deterioration of LHS pay and conditions in easyJet over the coming years.

The Horse and Elephant. You'd be better opening a pub of the same name - and that is also a business in terminal decline.

Talking of "i'm alright jack" attitudes clunk, I see you posted before that you wouldn't want to take a €20,000 contract....but that you would. That makes you part of the problem!!!!


I suggest you "get a grip" as you so eloquently put it.

It is already happening. Lisbon commands for a two-year contract followed by a LGW transfer have been offered down the list until all the positions are filled. If people are willing to take the reduction in pay and move to Portugal then they jump the queue. Fine, if they need people somewhere, they have to get them from somewhere else. But what is to say the contract in LGW is the same in two years as it is now?

la-amistad, if you are sitting there hoping that fATPL pilots are all going to turn down the ONLY job offer they're likely to get and thereby magically fix the situation you need to speak to Harry Potter again.

Last year I did actually turn down a selection day because of Ts&Cs, how is the industry looking now as a result of my stand? Any better?

The other attitude which I find particularly naive is that fATPL applicant can do anything about this (other than simply not take any jobs).

The cause of this problem and the solution could be debated (and argued about) endlessly. What you can't argue with is that this WILL impact both seats.

Sorry for the slight thread drift folks....

Lurkio, I stand by what I said.

I am speaking as an occupant of the left seat; there are too many captains who are happy hanging onto what they can for themselves rather than standing up to their employers and fighting for what is right and fair for their fellow employees.

Without wishing to get off topic Thomsons is a point in case; they bin over 100 capable pilots 2 years ago and then replace them with pay to fly ctc cadets for this summer and are now interviewing in many cases less experienced pilots to replace them on lesser terms whilst the ones who were forced out have no right to return. Apparently the union couldn’t do anything about this because at the time the trade-off would have been a change in the captains terms.

Just because you are in the left seat don’t think you are safe from these cuts too, but if you won’t stand up for the guys in the right seat don’t expect any sympathy or loyalty from them either.

All employees should be treated on equal terms and with respect, it isn’t us and them!

I'm alright Jack

Its not BALPA that will sort this, its the workforce if they had any idea what piss is being taken out of them.


http://www.pprune.org/terms-endearme...-piss-now.html

High Viz Vest, spot on

Oh I am we'll aware that new pilots won't turn down any offer......I am well aware they will do almost anything to get that first job.

I, like many of my colleagues are well aware of what's going on and that it's already impacting the T&C's of the LHS and will continue to do so.

We very much agree there. What I disagree with is the assertion that its the alright jack attitude of people like myself and solely our fault we are in this situation.

I would strike tomorrow to stop this. I have been very vocal to the union regarding this. Many of my colleagues think the same. Even if I was to have an alright jack attitude I would still strike because I want to protect myself. To be honest I realise that you are all beyond help. I used to pity those just joining....now I think it's your own fault. You knew the score before starting....and if you didn't then more fool you. However I will still strike tomorrow to improve your lot as it protects my lot. Is that alright jack....maybe!!

The reason for my post is that you seem to think everyone is ignorant of what's going on. Far from it. However the huge problem we face is exacerbated by people willing to sell their souls to fly a jet for free for a few years.

I think it's rather naive if you don't realise you are all part of the problem. You can't sit there and blame existing Capt's for a plight you are all contributing to!!! Once again...get a grip.

I am more than aware that your hero Harry potter won't help us (can I suggest that at your age you perhaps move away from young wizards and get another interest ) and that we need a massive concerted effort from the union and pilots. It's will safeguard my lot and hopefully improve the lot for new starters.

I think we agree on most points, I just totally disagree that it's the alright jack attitude of Capt's that has got us here. Good luck getting a job. If we ever fly together don't bore me with silly Harry potter stories or I will not let you touch the controls. If you start trying to cast spells in the flight deck I will offload your ass.

When I said "I'm alright Jack" I was not referring Captains, I was referring to all those that are not on flexi crews :mad:

I am blaming all those that think its just life and tough :mad:.

Just to clarify, I actually have no interest in Harry Potter. :)

But as I keep hearing the hopeless cries of "there's nothing we can do", perhaps Harry Potter is your only hope? Because it doesn't sound like anyone else is going to do anything.

I will stop the Harry Potter references as requested....while everyone waits for someone else to come along and save the day, any fictional character would do, spiderman, batman, balpaman...
:)

Hi everybody!
Any news about Easy recruitment so far?

Next please...

mototopo

Why don't you use your brain and give people here a bit more details about what you are looking for, for instance, are you looking for direct entry? Are you looking for cadetship? Are you looking for a temp contract? Are you looking for TRSS?

Artic Monkey,
Seems like the favourite sport in PPrune is to attack everybody's post not fully compatible/compliant with people's meaning.. Don't you? :)

I heard about recruitment of SF/Os via Parc and CTC these days and I was wondering if anybody could share any update..

Thanks much for the infos, worth a big try.

CTC RECRUITMENT VIDEO

I think you guys in Easyjet need to put out a video that refutes a few of the wild claims made in this video!

Aaarrrrgggghhhhhh. Money robbing, lying b******s!!! This is the kind of propaganda that's flooding the market with sparkly eyed boys and girls who end up in colossal debt who can't afford to say no to p*** poor T&Cs!!!

It's interesting how jaded the comments on this thread are. When I looked at ab initio training around 9 years ago, the comments posted on PPRuNe were broadly similar then as are expressed now. However, there is no doubt that the world of training has changed massively since 2003-05. I have never paid for a type rating, I took the modular route, but strung it all together and saved a bit of cash. Got a job 3 months after completing the fATPL on a full contract, with proper T&Cs and a mere £35k of debt.

The training and recruitment environment has changed enormously. Only Lyndsey Craig of BA has any credibility on that video. The rest of the claptrap spoken makes me feel both very fortunate for my position and very sorry for all those about to be taken in by the glossy sell put upon them. Even by the likes of Max from Flybe and Martin of Emirates, who have some how managed to do the hard sell for CTC! Not a balanced view by two (independent) aviation professionals.

I hope that aviation in Europe will turn a corner if & when the economy picks up, but until that happens it's a sorry place to be and both Max's & Martin's assertions that now is the time to be in training is misrepresentation at best. It's not a good time for ab initio training, it's a rubbish time. Short of a miracle, in 12-18 months the situation at present will be extant if not worse. I can only hope that those who attended that CTC open day also went to the recent BALPA pilot recruitment fair to see the reality of hiring prospects at the moment.

In other words, what Guy said...

Edited to add a point of interest: my debt was about 110% of my first year's salary. What would be the current ratio for a typical CTC graduate?

Just saw the video... This is madness!!!!! :yuk:

OMG, now I see clearly what WWW has been going on about, but what shocks me more than the zombies themselves is the parents that actually take these people's word for it. Go to airports and ask actual pilots in the airlines concerned, most of us would only be too happy to give a real account, not this fairy tale that CTC are peddling!!!