Wiz,chill...

Just because some Aussies are whingers doesn't mean all are. And I might be one. Realistically though, have talked to a lot of expat pilots over the years and Aussies certainly make their issues and opinions heard loud and clear.

Don't shoot me, remember I might be one.....

It is that hard in the desert that you lose your sense of humour? Hope you are not on the interview panel.

Now can anyone tell me the real numbers?

Hmmm, I might have a crack at this.

Better buy some more corks for your hat :}

They make they're issues and opinions heard loud alright... :ok: Generally why they get what they want :E

Has anyone heard back who applied for the DEC positions? I would be interested to hear for anyone who has been shortlisted as to their background and experience levels.

ricfly744

Thanks for that. I think that's the end of dreams of many shorthaul narrow body drivers in EZY and FR who thought they were going to jump a couple of steps up the ladder.

A friend of mine has been sent a list of interview dates.
He has in excess of 10k hours with 5k P1 widebody.

Wizofoz,
Pray enlighten at least the ones who wish to be.
What is take home salary+flying allowance+layover allowance PM in usd for a new(completed training)captain in EK.
Assuming this is all for 85 hours.
And do you have a ballpark figure for the profit share. Seems like very few are up to help the new boys.
Would appreciate your input.
Cheers now ..

Capt for 8 year basic @ 42k + @ 5k flying pay last month, 47K = @ 12500 us, you can add @ 1500 ead exchange rate protection and 12% of 42k provident fund. That's it. 18 k us is way better anywhere, the reason alot of pilots are looking outside EK. Begs the question why are these DEC's wanting to go to EK so bad? Some are returners

I have a strong gut feeling most of them don't have this down n dirty. The new ones at least.
16-18k Usd PM take home under all similar conditions seems to be the industry average amongst all my colleagues less than 5 years on the job as captain(bus OR boeing).
Like you said....begs the question.
:cool:

SHORTLISTED EMAIL
 

Hi there,

I was just curious to know if you have had any other word from the airline.

Like yourself when i checked my status on the online application, i found i had been shortlisted but yet have had no dates or inteview dates scheduled..

I completed the online application on the 9th April.

I was just wanting to know if you have heard anything or more, or maybe its an automated response once submitted your application.

Many thanks

For the current EK pilots, would you recommend the airline as a potential employer? I understand no airline is perfect. I am currently working for an airline in decline and am considering a change.

Any constructive input would be gratefully received.

Emirates!
 

Hey Jimmy. I've been doing a bit of research myself.
Have come to the firm conclusion that Emirates is an amazing airline, with an amazing training system in place and some very very good pilots and employees running the show.
A few are disgruntled, but given the sheer size of its operation, that is to be expected.
Quality of life(by what i've heard/learnt), is excellent and depends mostly on what you make of it. Most consumables are quite cheap.
I believe Emirates is a very fair employer if you are fair to it. However I also believe that in order to attract and retain enough talent from overseas, EK might want to consider tweaking their salary structure a bit. So as to seem competitive enough to the new joiner.
But like someone correctly pointed out earlier, there's no dearth of guys still wanting to join EK out there. Both FO's and DEC's. So, if you are one of them then you should feel good about it. Cause you are in the right place.
Remember, YOU want them and not vice versa. But if you're amongst the best then THEY will want you.
So go out there, do your best and leave the rest to allah.
All the best my friend.
Off now.
PS-The above are all just my own personal views. Albiet, well informed personal views....:ok:
And I am sorry, I am NOT a current EK pilot. Not just yet.
Good luck in your decision.

:ugh::rolleyes:

Try reading the first line again. Or maybe i could hand you your bifocals Lucy. Which might account for the spellos in your handle.
Learn before you start to instruct son.
Read before you criticise.
Now lets get back...

Precisely. Therefore the 'assessment' ...!!
And neither do you etops. Work 'there' that is. From what i understand. So why the offensive attitude.
Chill bubba. And have a beer.

Nice stand bunktime. Like your attitude towards your future employer. And love the research done.
Thanks for the beer.
;)

Thanks Jockey.
I was merely trying to help out a fellow aviator. What with all the negative vibes floating around here. Thanks for your support.
Etops....let's just say i do!
;)

If you work on a figure of 15000 us per month which has been quoted. That equates to near enough 10,000 sterling per month. Assume 1000 pounds per month is your private pension contribution then put the figures into the calculator below.

Reverse UK Tax Calculator. Updated for the 2012/2013 Tax Year.

I came up with a gross annual salary of 230,000 pounds per year to net 10,000 per month.
That might explain why people from the UK are coming!

I've been at EK for almost 9 years, been a Captain for almost 5. Last month my salary was 7,900 British Pounds, including flight pay for 84 hours at 10 pounds an hour. From that the company takes out 350 pounds as my contribution to the pension scheme and another 35 for my wife's medical insurance. (Your medical insurance is free, you pay for your family.)

Housing is provided but if I didn't take it I would get an extra 2,500 pounds a month- housing in Dubai is expensive.

These are actual figures from an actual payslip. The basic has just gone up by 3% but nothing else has. It is still a good salary but nowhere near the 10,000 pounds a month which is being quoted here.

Should one be sufficiently misfortunate or unimaginative to be here that long you can join the lepers at the top of the payscale who did not receive the 3%. The basic pay is (remains?) 10135 pounds per month. The company then places a further 1520 pounds in your provident fund and if you so choose will give you 2500 pounds for housing. An appointment (training, etc) will give you a further 1270 pounds and flight pay in a "normal" month will give you 915 pounds.

That total is 15425 pounds monthly, tax free. For a nice shock, punch that into your tax calculator.

If you wish to work from a hard copy you can use my payslip....

£5,000 or £15,000 a month - neither is enough to waste the best years of your life in such a vacuous, plastic and inherently racist place as Dubai. Come and check it out for a couple of years by all means but long-term? Lack of imagination just about sums it up.

Maybe you should get out more adolf. I always find lots to do here in Dubai and it needn't cost a lot either! Most F/Os I fly with too seem happy and do lots on their (few) days off:ok::E

Lack of imagination is a phrase I would save for those that sit and stew in their villas or apartments and spend their miserable lives moaning about everything under the (hot) sun...

White Knight,

Glad to hear that you find Dubai such a stimulating place to live in. As it happens, I have wadi-bashed, been to Oman (Hatta, Fujeirah etc, etc) and Ski Dubai'd and Barasti'd with the best of them. My point is that one can exhaust both the limited genuine appeal of the region and Dubai's rather more superficial charms in fairly short order (18 months will have been plenty).

Fortunately, I am here for the adventure rather than the money so will not have to pretend to find it great while I sweat through (just one more) summer while sending money back to where I really want to live (sound familiar?).

I agree that that plenty of ex-pats are very happy with themselves and have all sorts of fun. I just happen to find most of them a tiny bit smug, unimaginative and somewhat indifferent to the plight of those workers who are shipped in to facilitate their comfortable existence for a pittance.

Still, as long as the sun is shining for you eh....

Constructive (?) Input please!
 

I have no doubt it is not for everyone. I'm simply trying to find out if it's worth pursuing a change to EK and moving to Dubai.

If you had your time over, would you make the move? :confused:

JT,

No I would not have made the move. Dubai is fake and dealing with the locals just raises your BP.

Hey, check out this book: Esc.ape from Dubai.
Lovely Place.

What may be paradise for one man, can easily be the opposite for another. If you are serious about moving to the UAE, then visit the place and have a look round as a potential resident, rather than a tourist.

We are all individuals and even more so in Dubai, in terms of how it suits us and what we do with our lives when we are not at work.

I know this is not a very helpful post (sorry!!!) but I would take what you read here with a sprinkle of salt added. Ones background and what they want out of life in Dubai will create an expectation of what they want. Such backgrounds and expectations will vary from person to person and can be surprisingly different in many ways.