They take 4.50 euro/sbh off our pay so we don't pay essentially they just pay us less it's a bit of a daft thing because it would cover it up if they said our pay was x amount not x-4.5 for sim??

There you go

Thanks for letting me know Nick.

At least the picture is starting to come together regards these downfalls in Ryanair, there seems to be many.

Pity Emirates don't take old low hrs guys!!!

The latest news from East Midlands Training is that 10 pilots per week are leaving this sewer airline !!

Good riddens O'Leary; D.O.B & P.B oh and lest i forget :mad: Wilson!!

You forgot the "Bases Bulldog" - DR !

:D

How big are the chances of all bases going 5/3 for the summer? I'm on a 5/4 in Spain and it takes me 12 hours each way to travel to Spain and back when I take into account all the buses,trains,planes and hanging around airports I do, if it goes 5/3 I am fubared:( Also when the new government in Ireland takes over and hopefully gets rid of the travel tax and other things that we are hearing about will RYR have any taught of sending aircraft to DUB,ORK and SNN? Also will the Irish crew's finally get home or am I destined to stay in :mad: Madrid for the rest of my time in RYR:ugh:

I reckon ya can forget about Dublin anyway. Too many Irish there already and they don't want too many of the same nationality in the same base. I'd also imagine they might give any snn positions to the guys that were forced to leave there.

I hear ya on the 5/3 though, gonna be some balls if its true...which I'd imagine it is.

I believe a universal 5/3 is a very real possibility for the summer. It would be the first indication of crewing problem in my opinion.

The likes of getting DUB as a base is more problematic for a Captain in my opinion, less so for an FO due to the amount of CUs that have recently occurred. However there is a contingency who are unwilling to upgrade due to the fact that they have lives in Ireland and/or they are on good permanent contracts. Added issue is that the base is shrinking. I don't even believe it can be considered as the second largest base in the company any longer?

The base is majority Irish flight crew - both FOs and Captains. Any Captains that have been transferred there in the last few years, a very limited few I may add, have all been Irish nationals - as have any FOs. There has always been an influx of newbees once every 6 months. All sent there from an allocation list with no thought or consideration whatsoever. But sure, that's how base allocation works in Ryanairland!

If a universal 5/3 comes into play the floodgates WILL open in quite spectacular style...

How will 5/3 work - I was under the impression that FR pilots are often close to the 900hr limit already with 5/4, which is why those on BRK get the enforced month off.

Shrimps,
It is true that some guys get close to the 900 hour mark, but the main reason for the month off is so HMRC don't look upon us as employees and make Brookfield pay our taxes and NI.


Whilst I am under no illusion that anything is possible in Ryanair (apart from a base transfer list := ), I personally don't think they would bring in 5/3 for all bases as it would be a massive change for rostering to create new 5/3 patterns for pilots with existing 5/4.
I can imagine them demanding 6/3 for some summer months from the current 5/4 guys, or less likely, an opportunity for pilots to bid for 6/3 for this period.


Most likely that Rostering will be on the phone a lot of the time asking people to work days off and there will always be someone to work it because most pilots think short term of the extra hours and/or pay, even though its likely for hours to average out in respective bases come April.
(Ryanair have got us thinking each man for himself)


On a side note, has anyone taken a couple of extra months off and still found themselves with 700 hours or so?

you got to love PPRuNe!!

the guys in the know a few weeks back posted a list of the number of pilots leaving each base.,... its been noticeably very quiet on here lately .. I wonder how that list is getting on ....

personally , I am not hearing that many people are actually on the move... well from my base anyhow(mainland europe)

this exodus doesn't appear to be an exodus at all... relatively speaking
when taking into account the numbers of people actually leaving....

to try an see what the big picture actually is, why don't posters detail how many from each base are actually jumping ship...

2600 pilots approx within the airline, well then...
what kinda of level would make management begin to worry??????
e.g 25 Pilots per week would equate to 1300 per annum
(thats 50 %!!!!!)...

what in everyones mind would be the critical number?

Short over 200 captains for the summer. That could be a critical number.

short of 200 Captains, has this figure been verified in some way?

if they are short now, it can only get worse...
does this shortage take into account the ongoing new deliveries?

how many senior FO's are considering command...or thinking of going elsewhere...

being short of 200 captains sure is a major headache,
Senior FO's leaving also would only make it more challenging for RYR management...


can they even get that number of 200 new skippers (Command Upgrade or OCC) through the simulator before the summer....

maybe this 200 shortage is actually 200 and rising....

This forum is a hotbed of rumours, as is nearly every crew room with every airline when it comes to employment, crew shortages, crew culls, and any other topic on any given agenda.

Who is ever going to officially verify that?

But as they say "no smoke..........

It will only be verified come the summer schedule. It will become apparent to every pilot within FR if the arse has fallen out of the company's trousers.

A quick question. How many RYR pilots end up paying IR35, or does the fact that RYR is based in Ireland stuff that up for those robbing ***** at the revenue?

Well I have heard the 200 captains shortage rumour from two sources, one from a guy in EMT and the other from a person in STN offices.

Have to agree 100%, especially that pilots will only think short term and each man for himself. What if most people refuse to work a day off?

:mad: them, Brk pilots dont get any working day off payments so why should we do them a favour, they'll only give another standby on your days on!

Speaking to one Captain who has just bought a separate mobile for work. The moment he finishes his duty he switches it off, and turns it on again when he reports. I think this is a good idea and I will be doing the same. Working days off is a false economy, you are simply plugging the holes by showing good will. If everyone did not answer their phones when off duty the Pilot shortage would become more apparent. This would highlight the fact they need us more than we need them! Don't get me wrong I am all for helping a company if they show good will, however, this lot don't. Goodwill is a two way street.

Dont work your days off!

Both captains i flew with the last two days are leaving and another guy i flew with last week is going aswell - all three mainly because of being based a long way from home. Management have seriously underestimated the effect of their stupid basing "system", alongside all the other BS.

i have to agree with everything that has been said in the last 2 pages or so.

1)if 5/3 comes in then there will be a whole pile of captains leaving,this is the pilots trump card imho,the captains have to stand up and fight or just leave.most of you captains probably have enough hours to go direct entry to Dubai etc anyway

2)demand a waiting list per base:its very easy,just provide some proof of when and where you applied then post it for all to see.

3)the point about getting a 2nd mobile is excellent,everyone should do it.

4)stop working days off for them,they wont do you any favors so why help them?

note that none of this will cost ryanair anything to do,but if they dont then i hope they pay severely!!