Lufthansa Italia Recruiting
 

Lufthansa Italia is currently recruiting:


Feel free to share your experiences

This is European Union, you don't need to be a "local" anymore :ugh::ok:

If you are good, you'll get the job at LH Italy, if you are bad you'll stay in air dolomiti :eek:

contact to send a CV please?

wind check, you didnt realy understand the subject.

If it would be that easy.
LH has about 200-300 pilots in overhang, so it would be sensless to hire pilots, and to join LH you have to speak german, thats an requirement, for ALL LH pilots.
So you see, its not that easy.

We will see what will happen, if they are able to hire pilots for LHITA, very good.:ok:
If not, some (italian) pilots might learn it the bitter way.

It would not be the first time, that selected pilots could not be hired due to LH union regulations.

BTW: you are right, most italian companies pay better than LH.

I have absolutly no concerns, I am actualy waiting that they take non LH pilots.
And of course its a political reason, we both know what is going on in Italy at the moment.
A lot of pilots are waiting for LHITA because many will lose their job in the next month due to this kind of political agreement, so LHITA would be a chance.

BMI is like Swiss, SN, etc an other story, because they are not flying in LH colours with LH flight numbers, that is the point on the whole thing.

If they give the routes to the new LHITA, with a LHITA colour (different from LH) and the call sign is not LH, than it would be easier.

Its is clear that the LH managment want to recruit staff for LHITA, but it will be a difficult way for them when it comes to the cockpit crew.

Just to remember, pilots coming from LH school have to wait 5-6 month to start flying, no comand courses, so hireing people from outside is not something the union appreciates very much, which is understandable, we wouldnt be pleased if this would happen in our company.

not talking about AZ guys, people lost their jobs and will lose their jobs so AZ guys can keep theirs.
You might know that around 60 AP pilots have to give their seat to AZ pilots who are in "cassa integrazione"


That is correct, but its a bit a same thing and a bit different.

Its the same thing, because easy hired pilots according to their requirements. The same for all pilots, english, german, italian, etc. Same in LH everyone can apply, its just that you have to speak german, there are italian, spanish dutch and belgian pilots in LH. Its just that everyone speaks english, so everyone can apply to easyjet. And that the difference.

True!

BUT, they will bend it to the greatest extend, because M. wants it !

NO KTV PILOTS AT LHI!
Your/The master's voice.

( I assume)
;)

Three questions:

1. What are the new recruits being told about their career progression? Is the expectation that they (the Italian joiners) will be flying only for LH IT for their careers or are they told they could eventually join mainline LH?

2. For those who are successful, what is their experience? Type rating? From which airlines - Air Dolomiti, Air One, AZ?

3. Since the flights are relatively short out of MXP, how many sectors likely per day? How many days flying per week and month?

Cheers

Selection havent started yet, but it should be like this.

1) Only if you pass the full DLR Test for LH incl. the german language

2) some AZ, some others

3) 2 to 4, night stopps at CDG an LHR, should be 10 days off per month

Thanks EAM. I would think German-speaking Italians would be motivated to apply in that case... Certainly a motivator to at least learn Deutsch while you are there if you don't know it already.

Another question - are there current LH mainline FOs who will bid MXP to fly for LH IT? Perhaps some of the underutilized LH Cargo pilots will bid it...

apply
 

Hello, where to apply? any link or email add?

Thank you,

ITA

Iver, LHITA is not an airline/company...yet.
As far as I see it, all is covered with normal rotations from FRA and MUC.
There is no base at MXP.

Its not just learning german to join LH, you have to meet the requirements and apply to LH, which currently is not hireing.

So I actually doubt that in case LHITA will hire own pilots, they will have a chance to join mainline LH.

U will never fly LH planes, only LHITA, and the base will be MXP.
Hired pilots will have another career, different from the LH ones.
The DLR screening is in English, U don't need to know or learn German.
The first dates for GU are 14,15,20 april.
They called mostly AZ, AP and other italian RATED pilots, giving them only 12/10 days time between invitation letter and test.
That's not enought time to get prepared for GU at DLR!!!!
CRAZY...10 days only!

learning another language - interesting, possible and fun

DLR GU - is a lottery ...... There is a test - 9 watches clock test that the DLR uses (approx 1,5 sec exposure for the clocks) - possible to practise on 'skytest' cd - no matter how much one prepares, the result for this test will be random i.e. DLR GU is a lottery - fact - and you're allowed one chance for life. To all those going for it - just be aware it has an extremely high failure rate - dont rest any hopes on it, treat it as a lottery because thats what the selection is to the enter the gates of the fine LH Club.
10 days is enough to prepare using 'skytest cd' - (dont waist money on preparation cousres - they add no extra value ).

Of course DLR can change the tests i.e. greater exposure time - exclude that particular test, etc to give better chance, who knows......

good luck

This is completely false my friend,i've been invited to attend the screening.
i'll be in hamburg the day after tomorrow,and when i asked the man who i talked to if i would need to talk german,he said that official language for this screening and for lufthansa italia will be the english one.
the test will be in english,and german is not a requirement at the moment,many pilots who are now in "cassa integrazione" because they were laid off by alitalia,have been called to attend the screening on 15th and 21th april

so you'd better be informed before talking
ciao

we were talking about joining the LH mainline, not LHITA.

so you better read........well, not my style. :p

I don't have much to add regarding the Lufty Italia side of things but as far as BMI is concerned Lufty are not the full owners yet that many of you seem to think.The deal was delayed from Jan to Feb, then again to April and now to May or June at the earliest! There are many factors causing this but certain irregularities may yet crush the deal. Even when/if it goes through SAS will still own 20% so it is difficult to compare to the LHitalia and Austrian scenarios. Good luck to all in these times

so you better find out the right thread to avoid to be OT:ok:

LHI recruitment
 

hi there,

maybe somebody knows some more informations about:

what are the requirements?
who was invited? (airline, cpt, fo)
how many needed?
where and how to apply?
any rumors about t & c?
interview held by lh personal?

:O


cheers

only lufthansa knows..

both cpt and f/o. some from AZ, AP. someone else from different companies, not rated on the bus.

maybe a lot, maybe nobody...

try this one
[email protected]
or
[email protected]

nope

first of all DLR..

ciao

pW

Whats your problem mate???

The question by Iver was:

and the answer is:

Somethimes its a good idea to read and to use its brain in flying and in the forum.

Any News?

Regards

Charly

recruitment is going on..
italian language is a requirement for the final interview.
actually no one has passed to the second phase yet as first DLR responses will be given not earlier than 2 weeks..

ciao
pW

If they were to make LHI entry tests exactly the same as DLH tests they would be creating another body of semi KTV-pilots ,who would therefore want the exact same T's and C's as their German counterparts.
That would make the entire LHI-scheme too expensive for managment thus rendering it utterly useless.

What DLH-management want is DLH quality but for a bargain price with no complaining from personnel wanting a decent roster , vacation , sick-leave and all that nonsense.
No hassle, no union-activity.Fly the plane and be happy we gave you a job.
Unfortunately , Italy is full of people who will tolerate this.
Whilst LH itself is recruiting newbies from their own Flight academy on parttime contracts , just to be able to employ them at mainline!

It's just a perfect opportunity for management to give our union the finger and get around our collective labour agreement.
They'll be very very sorry.

really?
i thought the final interview would be in english

Its not compleatly wrong, because a lot of italian pilots will be without a job within the next 3-4 month and it will be difficult to find something else in italy.

But one thing is wrong, LHITA does not pay low salaries, due to the lower tax in italy, they probably get a better salary than a new entry in LH. :cool:

@ee51, no italian airline will lay off pilots in the next month, right, but about 40+ pilots in AP have a contract that will expire within the next 4 month and it will not be renewed. These are no fake news, this is the reality.

Conditions in italy are much better in italy than in germany, worked for both, know what I am talking about.

Hi there...

Did the first candidates get a reply from DLR?

Regards

LHI
 

just to clarify the language issue:

Additional Requirements

• Fluent in English and Italian (written and spoken)
• Good vision: +/- 3 Dioptres
• EU-Citizenship or Italian permanent residency permit. Please note that when it comes to free movement of workers the following countries are still not considered as part of the EU: Romania, Bulgaria, Latvia, Lithuania, Slovakia, Slovenia, Estonia, Czech Republic, Hungary, Poland
• Valid JAR medical class 1 certificate

well, gonna work on my italian..... :mad:

LHI
 

just to clarify the other issue:

there is an age limit imposed both on F/O and CPT positions which is against EU regulations and against german legislation.

LH has been doing this for decades and they are arrogant enough to continue this practice. Who is responsible for this? The union? The management? You will encounter difficulties finding out.

This has been the only job offer (apart from the odd 60 rule) that I've seen where a max. age of 45 is required for captains. This is outrageous, to say the least.

Surprisingly this doesn't seem to be much of a concern for most german guys - and I have no reason to believe that german law is not applicable in this case - because in that country everybody who is working outside LH is only working for him/herself.

Not really, people went against the age limit of LH about 2 years ago and they dropped it from CAs, but I am surprised that they still have it for pilots.
The problem with LHITA is, that it does not affect many germans, as you have to be fluent in italian, so it would be on the italians, to go against it, as LHITA will be an italian company.
Anyway, the would still be an unofficial age limit and they have other problems at the moment.
Today is another pilots meeting and the LH pilots are going to fight against the recruitment of LHITA.
LH instructors already refused to train pilots for LHITA.

In this case I would say LHI Management.

Ooops, that's tough! Where do you got that from?

well apparently they have failed pilots at sim assessments with no reason.
This is extremely unfair as sim assessment for LH can be taken only once in your life. If the union was not happy with LH hiring new pilots for LH italia they should have publicly said so or may be they should have done a recruitment ban or spread the voice in some way. Then pilots would have been adviced and could have waited till an agreement was found instead of wasting the only chance they had to join LH with a biased sim assessment! Exremely unprofessional :yuk:

exactly, thats why I will postpone my Sim, I dont want to be a victime of their war.
If they fight for their jobs, thats Ok, but if they take away chances of others, which can not be done again, its more than unfair.
It is Ok if they manage it, that LHITA can not hire pilots, but it is not Ok if they fail good pilots just because they dont want anyone to pass.

I am sorry to say that, but (most) LH pilots just care about themself.

this is what i told you few days ago, i told you that the failure rate was too much high and so i thought they don't really want to hire non german pilots

Guys, don't loose your time and money with this political-syndical joke...

PS: 75% of applicants were from Alitalia. Does it mean that all these very experienced pilots were not able to cope with the "Major airline pilot duties"? I DON'T THINK SO. Some people in LH should learn what "RESPECT" means.

To get information you can get directly to the site, its very easyto acces...
I think some guys get confused with the LH structure, on the one hand there is LH the holding, that embraces many companies in different areas and on the other there is LH-passage (the LH airline itself). LHI will belong to the first one. The holding will do its best to use its own resources and optimize its synergy. Think of LHI like City Line, although it uses LH colours and callsign it is another company. In areas like sales bookings, marketing, etc, the customer should have the impression it is all the same... about the age limit, I think its fair they expose the profile they are looking for, unlike other companies you dont see any restrictions, get hopes but will most certainly never get hired... My opinion is that LH might be one of the best companies right now in Europe, but not nescessarily the best employer. And isnt it about time Unions stop thinking locally and start acting global?

AFD
they dont even want to hire German pilots !!!! :yuk:
I guess there are a lot of highly experienced and qualified German pilots who would love to fly for LH even LHIT.....BUT...

they want only to hire a pilot, who fit in their psychological "LH-roster".

Long time ago someone told me: we really dont need experienced pilots, we can make monkeys to fly our aircrafts, provided that they "fit" in our psychological-roster:}

Problem is, that the italian pilots have a lot of faith in the LH recruitment because they have no experiance with it.
LH is playing a lot of tricks with it, they need more pilots, more will pass,
guys who paid 120K € to do the ATPL with the LH school have better chances to pass the selection.
Pilots from Swiss and AUA had better chances to pass, or their selcection was even accepted. Of course they deny it.

Funny thing, friend of mine, who is to old to join LH, flew 2 years on their A300-600, because he was sent over from HLF.

It is not the first time this happens and it wont be the last, but LH does not need to hire pilots for LHITA, at the end they could continue like they do now.
The union is playing hard and they dont care about others, now they even want 50% of the Aerologic jobs, which is not even an LH company.


Its Ok that LH guys want to protect their jobs, but if you talk to (most) of the LH pilots, the consider non KTV pilots as 2. class pilots.


Lets hope that one day they dont make the same experiance like the AZ guys and standing there in the rain.......all alone.