Aer Lingus - LGW
 

Can somebody spell out how the EI LGW (and BFS for that matter) package differs from the DUB figures on ppjn.

Many Thanks

UK crews are on different contracts and terms and conditions than the DUB crews etc. Less money and poorer conditions.

i presume that will be brookfield then :}:}:}

No, nothing to do with Brookfield. Just a different contract with Aer Lingus, different terms and conditions, pay, pension etc. Same as Belfast contract.

For Brookfield to be involved you would have to move another more fundamental piece of the chess set. . . . . . . Oh and also allow a Moggy called MOL in among the pigeons. :rolleyes:

Who knows for the future though, 3rd time lucky ? (but for who :( )

I'm aware of that. Looking for specifics. I also believe IALPA have an agreement with the company that any future positions in Ireland must be offered to current EI pilots based outside Ireland (subject to seniority) before any external recruitment can begin? Can anyone elaborate on this? Thanks for your reply anyway.

What I can say is that a large number of the ex-CTC cadets unceremoniously dumped by easyJet in the last 3 months are being recruited by Aer Lingus. The figure I heard is that they want 16 FOs and 13 will be straight from the easyJet/CTC cadet scheme. These excellent young pilots are no longer 'cadets' but Airbus-rated pilots with around 300-500 hours on type, completely familiar with the Gatwick operation into Europe. From Aer Lingus's perspective it simply does not get any better - free top-quality pilots who are desperate for a job, available immediately, current on type and likely to accept any conditions without a fuss. EasyJet will now have to recruit more expensive rated pilots in a few months time and thereby lose more money. It is win-win for Aer Lingus and lose-lose for easyJet. No doubt someone in easyJet will have received a substantial bonus for 'managing' the situation so well.

I would guess it is lose-lose IF , & only if ,Easy don't make any money from the Type Rating scheme. There seems to be so many different "varieties" here that I lose track of it. Another well known lo-co is widely believed to "benefit" from it's scheme, hence their enthusiasm to recruit ad infinitum, even if they have at tiomes very little in the way of flying to offer for a substantial time subsequent to the course. Methinks Easy probably "benefit" in some way from the training process per se, hence their laissez faire attitude to losing these folk.

I could spell out some of the terms but I don't wish to swear on this forum.

I can understand that many people at the moment will be under alot of pressure to get a job. It's a steady job with plenty of flying and a steady (if rather poor) rate of pay. So if you are a low houred pilot then EI is as good as anywhere else to start.

However, if you experienced and are coming from another airline with the lure of working in Ireland under the same terms and conditions neatly outlined in ppjn, then please think long and hard before coming. You will be sadly disappointed.

Some questions you may wish to ask at the interview:

Bond (esp if you are A320 rated)
Base freeze
Tax

In the same vain that "all that glitters isn't gold", " all that is green isn't Aer Lingus". IALPA is working on it but with MOL lurking in the background there are bigger fish to fry at the moment.

Good luck to all who apply.

Jaysus! Someone ain't a fan of Ryanair then! Will EI really last the distance at LGW with Easy and BA so prominent, I don't think so. A back lash to MOL's recent, second bid to Mannion and his public service cronies.

CP.

Norman,
are you paid by CTC ?sure sounds like a commercial to me.They may be 'excellent young pilots' but what they lack is substantial experience - you cannot buy that.

I love the CTC hoilier than though attitude - but then again britannia always thought they were a cut above just a large charter airline.

ASFKAP,

Maybe not as big as they used to be in LGW but BA's 37 aircrafts including long haul planes are significantly higher than EI's 4 planes. They won't last long I predict and then NSF your CTC cadets can return to Orangeland again :) The cycle is complete.

The cadets will just build hours with EI just like the Belfast base and then head for the hills when the likes of BA are recruiting again. The conditions are so bad unless your Dublin based that it makes no sense to stay.

Is anyone gonna tell us the terms and conditions or are you all going to witter on about Ba Ryan and the fake tan mob!

D and F

ASFKAP,


All 37 (in fact 41 at the moment until summer program)) aircrafts are BA planes no franchise at all. GB used be a franchise but now a part of easyJet.

Anyway back to the original question..........

£41k starting for f/o. After a years service you get a 3% payrise rising after 10 years of service to a tad over 52k. Sector pay on top of that. Captains salary tops out after 10 years around 99k. Oh and you get a free uniform.

What A Joke!

A hell of a lot better than a kick in the bum in this current situation :rolleyes:

I am sure people who have lost their jobs recently would like to take a job there.

Ever seen what the regionals pay?!?

Or Easyjet???

or an xmas catalogue distributor?

How much will a years sector pay be roughly?

£8500ish.

Taxed at full rate.

And the joke continues.

fade to grey - Just to clarify my own position, I am an easyJet Airbus Training Captain who is simply keen for easyJet to do as well as it can in the current climate. I have nothing whatsoever to do with CTC and never have done - nor am I likely to be seeking employment with them any time soon! I have no axe to grind other than one of absolute frustration at short term thinking by people who are paid obscence sums of money to do a whole lot better. I have, however, personally trained a number of our CTC cadets and they are almost invariably top quality people. They are inexperienced, but nonetheless are type-rated and have a little less than 500 hours on type. You therefore cannot speak in the same breath as them and people with 200 hours out of Oxford. They are therefore exactly who EI want as many of their early teething problems have been ironed out at easyJet in a robust training environment whilst operating all around Europe. As I said earlier, it really does not get much better than that in terms of suitability to go to EI. I wish them all well, but I cannot say I hope that EI do too well out of Gatwick!

Well I lost my job, and I'd happily take it. Pays more than McDonalds :ok:

Lummy, if you don't like it you know where the door is........

Aer Lingus T & C's
 

Pilots Pay and Condition- Information for candidates

Gatwick Base





•Average £8,500 per annum



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Jonjoe,

My apologies. It was a stab at the UK tax system. If I could find the door to that particular problem...

Apparently it is going to be UK wide.

im one of those :mad:heads and a very happy :mad:head too

I hope IALPA are better at keeping their pilots united, than they are at spelling :uhoh:

Welcome back Capt Kremin, or should I say J.P. Ballsareneedy, :hmm:

Brisbane getting a bit passe ( sorry as it says on the left there , no longer in France, so the accent is N/A on my keyboard ) time to find some culture back in Europe eh ?

What aload of horlocks :yuk:

First Officer starting salary is really a joke and after ten years still isnt funny. Im dissappointed with IALPA but i feel they are getting weaker by the day and just protecting themselves in Dublin. :(

J.P.

Nice way to refer to fellow pilots.

Looks like the the so call ****heads are on better conditions than what IALPA have negotiated. A bit of a case of "I'm alright Jack".

Don't forget the to take into account the 7% deduction, to pay back the recent bad investment.

Sure we'll be seeing you in East Midlands for your 6 monthly renewal soon anyhow.

All a bit shallow

easymoney.... I'd be worried that you might not have EMA to go to in six months. Might say AF or LH over the door.

Its all starting to appear pear-shaped for the pikey

We know the reason for the rush(panic) to try and get AL
Wait for the next set of ryr figures..........

Like the movie, "There will be blood"

Lots of it!

Crikey, it's the CTC love in! Norman's brochure like blah makes them sound more like production cars.
Oh well, I suppose if they're rated and they're sitting about flicking their winkies doing not much then they should have the jobs.

Rumour is that bmi are gonna go down the pay to line train route. It's like a :mad: infection.

It's all b:mad:s

I'm gonna give up soon cos this industry will be worth f all soon.

D and F :8

Lets focus on the topic if at all possible.:mad:

It's one of the best I've seen at the moment out of those recruiting (having looked around alot) and given the current market I think a lot of people would very happily take it. Lots of people (me included) have recently been made redundant. And you scoff at a starting salary of almost 50k/year (including duty pay). Now that really is a joke.

FM....Amen to that. We'd all like to earn more than that, but £50k yr1? Where do I sign - although unfortunately I suspect there's slim to no chance I'll even be looked at...

And that my friends is why our conditions are going down the pan.