Aer Lingus - LGW
 

Can somebody spell out how the EI LGW (and BFS for that matter) package differs from the DUB figures on ppjn.

Many Thanks

UK crews are on different contracts and terms and conditions than the DUB crews etc. Less money and poorer conditions.

i presume that will be brookfield then :}:}:}

No, nothing to do with Brookfield. Just a different contract with Aer Lingus, different terms and conditions, pay, pension etc. Same as Belfast contract.

For Brookfield to be involved you would have to move another more fundamental piece of the chess set. . . . . . . Oh and also allow a Moggy called MOL in among the pigeons. :rolleyes:

Who knows for the future though, 3rd time lucky ? (but for who :( )

I'm aware of that. Looking for specifics. I also believe IALPA have an agreement with the company that any future positions in Ireland must be offered to current EI pilots based outside Ireland (subject to seniority) before any external recruitment can begin? Can anyone elaborate on this? Thanks for your reply anyway.

What I can say is that a large number of the ex-CTC cadets unceremoniously dumped by easyJet in the last 3 months are being recruited by Aer Lingus. The figure I heard is that they want 16 FOs and 13 will be straight from the easyJet/CTC cadet scheme. These excellent young pilots are no longer 'cadets' but Airbus-rated pilots with around 300-500 hours on type, completely familiar with the Gatwick operation into Europe. From Aer Lingus's perspective it simply does not get any better - free top-quality pilots who are desperate for a job, available immediately, current on type and likely to accept any conditions without a fuss. EasyJet will now have to recruit more expensive rated pilots in a few months time and thereby lose more money. It is win-win for Aer Lingus and lose-lose for easyJet. No doubt someone in easyJet will have received a substantial bonus for 'managing' the situation so well.

I would guess it is lose-lose IF , & only if ,Easy don't make any money from the Type Rating scheme. There seems to be so many different "varieties" here that I lose track of it. Another well known lo-co is widely believed to "benefit" from it's scheme, hence their enthusiasm to recruit ad infinitum, even if they have at tiomes very little in the way of flying to offer for a substantial time subsequent to the course. Methinks Easy probably "benefit" in some way from the training process per se, hence their laissez faire attitude to losing these folk.

I could spell out some of the terms but I don't wish to swear on this forum.

I can understand that many people at the moment will be under alot of pressure to get a job. It's a steady job with plenty of flying and a steady (if rather poor) rate of pay. So if you are a low houred pilot then EI is as good as anywhere else to start.

However, if you experienced and are coming from another airline with the lure of working in Ireland under the same terms and conditions neatly outlined in ppjn, then please think long and hard before coming. You will be sadly disappointed.

Some questions you may wish to ask at the interview:

Bond (esp if you are A320 rated)
Base freeze
Tax

In the same vain that "all that glitters isn't gold", " all that is green isn't Aer Lingus". IALPA is working on it but with MOL lurking in the background there are bigger fish to fry at the moment.

Good luck to all who apply.

Jaysus! Someone ain't a fan of Ryanair then! Will EI really last the distance at LGW with Easy and BA so prominent, I don't think so. A back lash to MOL's recent, second bid to Mannion and his public service cronies.

CP.

Norman,
are you paid by CTC ?sure sounds like a commercial to me.They may be 'excellent young pilots' but what they lack is substantial experience - you cannot buy that.

I love the CTC hoilier than though attitude - but then again britannia always thought they were a cut above just a large charter airline.

ASFKAP,

Maybe not as big as they used to be in LGW but BA's 37 aircrafts including long haul planes are significantly higher than EI's 4 planes. They won't last long I predict and then NSF your CTC cadets can return to Orangeland again :) The cycle is complete.

The cadets will just build hours with EI just like the Belfast base and then head for the hills when the likes of BA are recruiting again. The conditions are so bad unless your Dublin based that it makes no sense to stay.

Is anyone gonna tell us the terms and conditions or are you all going to witter on about Ba Ryan and the fake tan mob!

D and F

ASFKAP,


All 37 (in fact 41 at the moment until summer program)) aircrafts are BA planes no franchise at all. GB used be a franchise but now a part of easyJet.

Anyway back to the original question..........

£41k starting for f/o. After a years service you get a 3% payrise rising after 10 years of service to a tad over 52k. Sector pay on top of that. Captains salary tops out after 10 years around 99k. Oh and you get a free uniform.

What A Joke!

A hell of a lot better than a kick in the bum in this current situation :rolleyes:

I am sure people who have lost their jobs recently would like to take a job there.

Ever seen what the regionals pay?!?

Or Easyjet???