prediction
 

I give it 1-2 years from now before they lose the SCS contract.

WHY?
HUY pushing their luck or Saab crews leaving.
Or both.

So is there a pay rise, or that just a hoax made up to try and raise morale? not that there is any....morale.

I see they are painting the big red rocket at HUY. That's where the Laurier has gone.
Last one out close the door. :)
Embraer fleet is getting bigger though so I'm told a 145 is being added to the fleet.

Seriously, 20k for a Saab Fo! Christ I earn't that on the Saab in 1999, I can't believe they get away with it. Who the hell would tell their kids to be a pilot these days.:ugh:

Apologies for the intrusion on this part of the forum. What would the FOs pay be including per-diems? Not a great deal more looking at the latest on ppjn.

If I can I will give you an industry comparison. I recently took four young lads (22-25) from off the street through to qualified train drivers in just under a year. Their training salary was £23k for a 35hr 5 day week. Now qualified and driving productively their basic is £43k for a 35hr 4 day week with no Sundays contracted to work. If they work their allocated Sundays (about 20 a year) thats another £6k ish. Most of the younger lads work an extra 3 days a month at an enhanced rate, put another £7/8k on top.

Given that a 35hr working week probably averages out at 20-28 hrs actual driving it compares well to airline flying hours.

The main difference, leaving the salary aside, is that the lads did not pay a penny for their training, medicals, travel, uniform and even got a free buffet lunch every day while in the school.

I do feel for the airline wannabes, sure there are greater rewards when in the left seat and with a better paying airline but for how long can the industry pay paltry salaries and expect young people to take out what in essence is a mortgage on their future.

:ugh::ugh::ugh:

Entirely seriously, in comparison to an awful lot of flying jobs, that looks very attractive. 2 questions, where do you apply? And is there an ( upper) age limit..?

Just wait until the first LoCost rail operator comes along, then it will all change - Ryanrail anyone? :\

Bob Crowe wouldn't let them get away with it. He'd have the brothers out indefinitely.

on the sort of money these guys pay, I'm not surprised. These guys pay a lot better:

Trainee Train Driver - Pay And Conditions For UK Train Drivers

Well out of date. Use this link to check the current pay and conditions company by company.

ASLEF - Company Information

Let's threaten a strike like the engineers did just before they got their big pay deal :)
Dream on.