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It's not about operator standards its about the reduction of our T&C's. What do you think easyJet F/O's are doing while the pay to fly guys are flying the line? earning sector pay? :ugh:

Well unless something drastic happens, in a positive way, I cant see any of us TRSS lads getting a start within two years.

As Capt. Darling said:- Wrote a note in my diary. Simply says, "Bugger".

ATP have moved on to BMi so I believe EZY T&C's unaffected and as no-one is paying to fly the line then sector pay aint affected either. Now at BMi, that's a different story, but this thread is not about BMi... :ugh: to you too mate :E

I can confirm what NSF says. I have met an ex ATPer who has been given a 6 month contract. At the end of the day chaps, anyone who knows the EZY operation and SOPs is going to be high on the priority list regardless of where they hail from.

Captain Clarence - I can give you a cast-iron guarantee that your CTC contract will only be temporary at easyJet this year. You will NOT be offered a permanent contract in September. CTC knows that to be true and should not pretend otherwise.

easyjet=ryanair
Broofield=Flexi crew CTC
low cost= !!!! future
Cheap ryanair wannabes= cheap easyjet wannabes

Put your trouser down and smile (be aware of penetration without vaseline) ;)

and balpa=my ass

Well its not only the CTC cadetts that has a tough part in this.

easyJet has lots of SFOs that have been waiting for their upgrade since last summer but never got them because the airline hired DEC from.... CTC.

And yes, they will come back flying this summer too on their contracts keeping the SFOs still in the RHS, looking after some of them... Happy summer 2009 :{

CaptainClarenceOver - Right now I would say there is zero possibility of the summer contracts being extended into the winter. That could change but it does not look likely at the moment. I am not a recruiter, but I spoke to one last week who emphasised that there will be no permanent contracts for new pilots this year. Regarding taking on 400hr pilots, we are taking that experience level and lower right now - if you have a type-rating and are willing to accept a temporary contract for the summer. The new 'Sigma' scheme, for example, will take people with 150 hours of line training with easyJet under last year's ATP 'pay-to-fly' scheme, and pay them some sort of daily rate as required. In other words, it is a shocking rip-off, and yet one which you cannot afford to turn down if you are a low-houred pilot. I wish it was brighter but that is the deal right now.

seasexsun - Thanks for your fascinating insight into our world. Probably best keep to remain silent and be thought a fool rather than open your mouth and remove all doubt. If you will not join BALPA, you are part of the problem and can never be part of the solution. Not to join is your right, but never, ever, ever complain when the terms and conditions of the airlines you fly for go downhill. The only reason why we have yet to plumb the hideous depths that Ryanair have in employee treatment is due to the presence of a 70%+ BALPA membership at easyJet. If that were 95%+, we would not be having this thread right now, as there would be no temporary contracts at all. Don't complain about any aspect of Ryanair or easyJet unless you are willing to stand in line, pay your 1% and fight with other BALPA members to stop the rot.

Norman, seasexsun is spot on. As I said a few posts ago, low-cost is the McDonaldization of aviation.

BALPA have absolutely squandered their credibility and high % of membership that they had a few years ago (remember that a lot of pilots joined when they offered us that lousy pay deal in 2005?) by rolling over trying to appease management.

IMHO, the introduction of local contracts in MAD was the thin edge of the wedge that started the beginning of the end for BALPA in easyJet. Most continental based pilots are left to fend for themselves (just look at DTM & SXF!) and as the number of continental based pilots gets bigger and bigger, BALPA's membership (and leverage!) gets proportionately smaller and smaller.

As the saying goes: "one has to strike when the iron is hot," and BALPA absolutely failed to do so during the economic boom years.

Across in Ryanair, BALPA are also in grave danger of losing all credibility if something isn't offered in response to the recent pay "deals":hmm: being "offered" ;) .
Like Ryanair, your problems with union representation are only just beginning as you open more continental bases.
The setting up of REPA as a communication medium was a step in the right direction as far as a common goal is concerned. Rather more difficult is finding a way for several European unions to act together in harmony. Eurocockpit were supposed to have made progress here, but I see no evidence of it.
As usual in the European environment, harmonisation is bulldozed through in areas where there is money to be collected from individuals, but in areas like harmonisation of social/medical rights it is woefully stone age.
Union representation is in a similar epoque, and until it progresses, companies like Ryanair, and now Easy Jet ,will continue to make hay whilst the sun shines and profit from the lack of cohesive response from their geographically scattered ( and contractually divided) employee groups. Lets be frank, we would be surprised if they didn't. :*

FC

You better get used to hearing the words " I HAVE CONTROL ". :E:E

Clara,

I hope you never see the crew room

Doug the Head - I do not accept your characterisation of BALPA's role in easyJet. Nor do I accept the view of catplaystation that there is a lack of cohesive response by BALPA to easyJet's plans. We have in excess of 70% membership and that is enough to fight a powerful rearguard action, but not enough to take on the company head-on over issues like seasonality. It is no coincidence that at Virgin and BA (95%+ membership?) these issues are simply not up for discussion. At Ryanair and Jet2, who have no effective union representation, absolutely anything is up for discussion! We are somewhere in the middle and - surprise, surprise - have a mediocre set of terms and conditions. There is a direct correlation between union represenation and achieving good terms and conditons.

To clear up a few myths - at easyJet BALPA are not in the pocket of the company. BALPA is, at the end of the day, a group of pilots chosen by their peers to go and fight on our behalf in the presence of our management. They are only as powerful as the mandate they are given. Also, BALPA has not squandereed all credibility with the workforce - they have won battle after battle that goes sadly un-noticed. The bottom line is this - if you do not join BALPA and fight with your colleagues you have lost the right to speak or raise a word of complaint about a single issue affecting your terms and conditions. When you decide to stand with your colleagues in a collective manner that helps them rather than hinders them, then you have a voice.

There is much that is right about easyJet and we should rejoice at that without resting on our laurels. Our union reps are fighting tooth and nail in a vicious fight with short-termist, bonus-hunting managers who have no real interest in the long-term viability of the airline. We simply must give them the ammunition to win that fight by joining BALPA.

Norman, by lack of cohesive response I was thinking in European terms i.e with the right percentage of UK pilots as members, you are able to respond to the company effectively in respect of UK contracted bods ( something that could be easily achieved within Ryanair too , if BALPA and the UK based pilots would only bite the bullet.)
However, like Ryanair, the more you expand in Europe, the more difficult it is to present a unified response to the company representing all pilots ( as has been proven by the pushing through of Ryanairesque different conditions in Madrid & Germany) Happily for your europilots, the collapse of the pound has left them probably better off than if they had originally been contracted in Sterling, but I am led to believe that their contract is not so favourable in other respects. It is not the fault of BALPA, or indeed your Easy BALPA reps, it is a Europe wide problem that is of course exploited by any company with this mindset. As usual, when it is only a loss to the menial employee, the Eurocrats seem in no hurry to introduce any beneficial legislation. These differing contracts are the foot in the door to "divide & conquer", look at the RYR situation to see where it can go. All the new terms & conditions being proposed to new (fixed period ) hires are just the logical extension of this "sucessful" policy, look to the yellow & blue team to see the ultimate expression of the art.

What planet is he/she on

I would like to point out that he/she has to pass an LPC/OPC to the required standard and, given the experiences I had last year of trying to train some of these people, that is very far from a foregone conclusion. Some of them were good, the majority were mediocre and some, frankly, had no business being on the flight deck of an airliner. As NSF said, interesting times. We shall see.

Unfortunately wingswinger , like the dutch guys who were recruited 2 years ago without the ezy interview or sim ride ,; some of these people will make the line and then its us poor line caps that have to deal with them day in day out .

Clara, honestly, what will you do after summer? You must be at least slightly disappointed not having been offered a normal contract? No?

I guess she'll go back to being some easyJet training captains plaything:yuk:

Hello,

Being F/O on A320 with more than 2000 hours on type, where or with wich agency I 've to apply in order to get a summer contract with Easyjet.
Is it with Parc or CTC? have they already started their recruitment?
With an Easyjet summer contract would it possible to be based in mainland in europe(france, spain, Italie, Geneva...)

Thank you for all informations.