Becuase our wonderful Balpa CC have not given us this option on the ballot paper! Apparently calling the companies bluff is not an option.

Obviously haven't seen your CC newsletter, but the discussions have been confirmed by one of our CC members...doesn't mean it'll happen though...

PJS has gone on record as giving this commitment.

If he then goes against it, it will be a total loss of credibility. I dont think he's the sort of guy that plays those games.

I thought the two options had been put out to ballot - why do postings in this thread seem to have decided on the outcome already?

The ballot paper also doesn't allow you to reject both options does it or have I missed something?

On another EZY thread a posting suggests that thousands of American pilots swap from left to right seats every Sept.

That'd be TUI then.

L Met

The company has now twice and 2 years in a row promised BALPA not to take in any more contract pilots.

And its happening again. Sweet.

Worthless and unacceptable.

Paycuts for all of us and the management goes through with all their bonus.

This is totally rubbish. :yuk: :yuk: :yuk:

You guys amaze me sometimes. Would you rather accept what appears to be a poor deal for the pilots yes still have jobs in years to come or would you push for the deal you see as correct in your eyes and all be on the dole queue sooner than you thought? I know which option I would go for......have a word with an ex Excel pilot who is now probably in some far flung country (if he can get another job) trying to earn a crust. Whatever deal for contract pilots comes out (and it might not) it's got to be better than signing on. Alternatively, get a stronger CC!

So how far would you take that argument then. In the West we are obviously massively better off than the vast majority of people on this planet. Does this mean we should all accept working for a bowl of rice. The fact is some companies are going against the wall but others are benefiting from this crisis. Easyjet is among the latter and still making a profit. Management is collecting a massive bonus year on year but we should just hand over the vaseline and be glad that we do not work for Excel, live in Chad or have to walk ten miles a day to collect fresh water? The fact is our concesions go straight into the bonus of our management not to put money on the pilot providence fund.Tell you what, when Easyjet management refuses to collect their multimillion pound bonus I will seriously consider some concessions on our Terms and Conditions. Fair?

Management bonuses and high salaries are an area which some agree with and others hate. For my part I don't actually begrudge them the extortionate wages......why? Because as long as they continue to keep a company in profit and me in a job then that's ok with me.

We just have to accept it's a fact of life that some people at the top of companies get paid a boot full of cash each year..that's life. I'd much rather have that than have some no hoper in charge on a minimum wage salary and the company goes t**s up within a few months. Of course you can quote me the banking sector bosses (i.e. paid millions for cocking up a massive organisation), but then you get bad pennies in all walks of life.

Has anyone of you actually calculated the cost per blockhour or the company?

You'd be surprised that PPY75 is actually more expensive.

yes, one of the vociferous 3 has done a good calculation on the BALPA website.

I don´t begrudge large bonuses when they are due either. What I do begrudge is been asked to give up elements of my contracted benefits so someone else can get a massive bonus.

But what happened to your argument of tighten your belt so you don´t end up unemployed, etc Does that not apply to managers then?

It didnt to the chosen 60!

Bad news for those of you in the hold pool waiting for easyJet employment. Update from the company as per today:

There is now no planned permanent recruitment for summer 2009 and the FOs needed will come from CTC flexi programme.

Recruitment for the hold pool has ceased as well.

Sorry.

Elephant and Castle - magnificent posts! I totally agree.

Like it or loathe it, managers tend not to be considered as employees in the same context as us ordinary chaps. They'll do their job and get paid their massive salaries and then either get sacked or move onto another company.

Don't get me wrong I don't like the management pay situation anymore than u do, I just put up with it and accept it as long as they are doing a good job. I don't work for your company so I really can't comment and what might be imposed on you all.

But of E & C I do agree with you and can empathise with your situation

unsubstantiated rumour alert!
 

I have heard that some of the M/A 60 odd that were made redundant, actually received their redundancy package and were then awarded / promoted to a new position. In other words like the pilot sacrifices, the Co. are not being wholly truthful with the numbers. It's spin, yes people were made redundant, however it would appear that the role was deleted. In accordance with UK employment law however, they were offered a similar opportunity. Thus the net change is not 60 odd. These management traits are demonstrated by what E+C highlights. A manager/s will get a bonus based on "Cost savings achieved in pilot group". Not saying measures are not required, but we need to be mindful of how pilot T+C's changes feather the nest for the management.

FPC

Bit of frustration now, why the hell are/were Ezy running recruitment sessions for TRSS at least up until late last year when there is no need for those guys! I dont mean this to read like I doubt what ReallyAnnoyed has said, far from it, I'm sure that's the truth of the matter.

Just frustrated. I guess its them hedging their bets I suppose.

At a training meeting some weeks ago there was talk of 170 F/O's for summer 09, and that may of doubled if the pairings/roster optimizer didn't work.

Seems an awfully efficient system if it saves that many pilots from being recruited. Lets hope they are not over ambitious with the systems capabilities.

So yes, I think they were hedging their bets.

Hope you re right ktt:ok::ok::ok::ok::ok::ok:i m so anxious regarding the pool:sad::sad::sad::sad: