Teco,

"...moanin' n' gripin' some of our colleagues love doing, even when things go well."

When EXACTLY is that?

As for the Ferrari's, as far as I understand, they were not bought with money earned at EK. The was some previous backing!

What I understand is that it is basically a problem for the married guys due to high schooling-, accommodation- and leisure costs for the familiy. EK should maybe do something in this regard. Only happy pilots(families) make safe pilots.

On the other hand I can not believe that a bachelor EK First Officer has a money or status problem. Earning 4 times more than a EK cabin crew member incl. better benfits.

When I started out as MD-80 copilot in one of the richest and most expensive countries in the world I earned approx. 7000 dirham per month same salary as junior cabin crew in this particular airline(now you can imagine how good the status was).

Working for a different airline now , approx.11000 dirham per month, tax. around 20%, etc.

Any EK bachelor around who wants to exchange jobs?

Just let me know



Somebody could say

I'm sorry to ask a question that i guess ,has been posted many times , but it seems that many of you are working presently for them,so the information will be first hand.
do they hire people with litle experience (i.e. 200 TT)?
thank you

SSF220

Unless you are a UAE national and prefferebly a Muslim, then EK might take you with such low hours. Then they will send you to the US for ab initio or profficient training. after your US training you will go through a jet transition course in DXB. If you pass all the above, then you could be flying an A310 for EK with less than 500 TT.

Otherwise, you must go is as a direc entry FO. EK TT minimums has just gone up as well.
For more info visit http://www.emirates.com/recruitment4.asp

Good luck on building those hours.

http://www.emirates.com/recruitment8.asp

has the min reqs. for direct-entry effos.
(They don´t seem to have changed)

Instead of "Unless" in the post above, you probably meant "If" - meaning they´ll ONLY take nationals as ab-initios (if I´m correct).

That lady with 4 stripes does make you dream, doesn´t it, Mwashi.
Keep it up, and one day it might actually be you!

Rumour has it minimum entry requirements will soon be 1500TT on turboprop, with minimum 6 years to command, to counter current difficulty in attracting suitably qualified personnel. Roll on DEC's.

Careful what you wish for. It might come true!

I left a command in Europe and now in EK for about 2 years (oops, now EK security will probably find out what my real name is :)).

With 2 kids I manage to save about 10.000 dirhams (2700 US = 1818 STG) per month. I think the job is good, I enjoy my lifestyle in Dubai (spent a lot of my time on the beach) and my wife and kids love it.

It was a bit difficult giving up my jet command in Europe, but I should get my command back next year already, after 3 years with Emirates.

The new housing allowance is too low, but at least it gives you some choice between company housing and the free market. There are some commuters who are going to rent a 50.000 dirham appartment and cash the other 45.000 dirhams. That giving them an extra 12.000 US dollars per year. That another way to look at it, although not an option for most of us.

I don't think the direct entry thing is going to happen soon. What may happen is that the F/O requirements are going to go up, or that they try to hire more guys that can do the accelerated command (=6000 TT, 1000 command jet).

Stick to the (sometimes silly) rules and it is a good company to work for in my opinion.

How do they upgrade in EK. By senority or nationality.
I'm trying to get an interview with 6000 Hours incl. 2400 767 and the rest turboprop. 1000H airline turborop command. Would I be overtaken for command?
What is life like for single FO's? Are the appartments OK?

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Did I mention I'd like to stop paying 62% incometax..... :)

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Please gentlemen, I would like to know some things about EK.
How many Pilots are there at EK?
How many nationalities?(list some please)
What is the first airplane assigned for a new F/O?
What routes are the 777´s flying?, 310?, 330?
What is the salary of a Senior Line Captain?
How are the housing facilities that EK provide?
How much is the rent for an apartment near the beach?(wife and two kids)
What is exactly the "amount" of help Pilots receive for child education?
Travel allowances per year?
Dubai is still a tax free city?

I would deeply appreciate any enlightment on these subjects.
Thank you very much.

rodelu: Have you even read this entire thread?

And to the rest of you guys: Gee, I've been flirting with the thought of someday flying in Emirates or an other "High pay - Low tax" company, but I guess you have turned me off...

Nick


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~ Oscar Wilde

Wizz,

"With 2 kids I manage to save about 10.000 dirhams (2700 US = 1818 STG) per month."

As a F/O, how on earth do you manage to do that?! Really, I'm not rying to be funny. Does your wife work in Dubai? All the F/O's I meet seem to be struggling. http://www.pprune.org/ubb/NonCGI/confused.gif

Warlock,

I don't see the snag in Wizz saving all that cash. As long as you live in Satwa, shop at Union Coop, let your kids play in the street and have a wife earning 20k a month.

Sorry couldn't resist. I guess it is possible to save some cash as long as you decide not to live an ex-pat lifestyle but then why bother to come to Dubai. None of the married F/Os with 2 kids that I know save anything, unless they live like monks.

2 years in the company means, what, about 18k/month, take off the provident fund and other deductions, to save 10k/month he must spend no more than 5500dh or about $1400/month on living in Dubai. I couldn't do it for twice that!!

Ghost

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SSF220:

Currently they're hiring guys with thousands of hours jet time, preferably with airline command, and the list of applicants is not short.
Sorry, and good luck!

This thread has been running for 4 weeks and attracted a fair range of posts. Incredibly, some people seem to have taken the comments made by a very small group, from within EK, as gospel. If all it took was a few nasty words to put you off EK, then you were probably not that interested anyway and saved everyone (including yourself) a lot of time.

The way I see it is that ten EK employees have posted here, three making generally positive comments and seven negative. That is 7 out of 550 (?) employees have felt it necessary to express their "generally negative" views using this medium in the last month.

There has been the usual range of sentiment expressed and ultimately it is only one individuals opinion. What I would offer to anyone seeking information on any prospective airline is that you have to make your choices based on what your needs are and valid data. PPrune is not what I would call a terribly reliable source of valid information.

I wonder what the other 543 pilots have been doing for the last 4 weeks.

Honest Questions Deserve Honest Answers.

I am also a true believer in the power of mathematics, it never lies!

So, yes some of the view points are negative, but in a forum like this where one can express an honest opinion based on his or her experience for others to read and draw there own conclusions, is important.

"One plus one equals two," and that is where this old saying comes into it's own regarding Emirates, the numbers do not add anymore, with respect to ones earnings in an enviroment where WE ALL will have to leave sooner or later. I am busy making my own plans, as I am sure all of us are.

It is not just an issue of money anymore in this outfit, it goes even further than that. Those of us who are honest with our ourselves have already realized the culture within this "potentially great company." Their people managing skills,rules and regulations are for people who are fear motivated. Fear of your own shadow! "Step out of line and beware!"
Rules and Regulations are there for our protection and for the company's, granted! However, just look around you at what really goes on, including the reason why a lot of us reach this "Seven Year" jitters with this company.

But then again, maybe some of us will be regarded as "too sensitive" by others, so be it!

There certainly is life after Emirates and a very good one too!

Hopefully, one day we can all enjoy the fruits of our labour.

As always,

Best Regards to all of my colleagues.

Hey Ficky isn't that also only 3 pilots out of 550 that have made positive comments!! Statistics, damn lies and statistics... http://www.pprune.org/ubb/NonCGI/confused.gif

I hope that the comments here don't put anyone off joining the company. Ficky is right when he says that guys reading this thread that are put off are too 'fickle'. They were probably going to join for the wrong reason anyway. Isn't that the point of giving a balanced view?

Anyone that comes to EK should carry out effective research to ensure that they have all the facts available to them before they leap. In the past there have been a lot of glowing comments made about the company maybe this thread has redressed the balance a little with a few more differing opinions. I wish when I joined folks had been a little more honest.

It would not have changed my decision but there would have been no surprises. If we really want to remain an airline with outstanding prospects there should be no need to hide anything. We should be able to recruit the right kind of pilots based upon our own merits, once any potential weaknesses have been taken into account. Hopefully we will then have a well motivated and effective pilot group.

Lets hope that we atleast consolidate our position so that EK remains a place that good pilots will want to join in the future. Then the company will go from strength to strength which will be good for us all. :) I don't want to think about the alternative.

Ghost

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Nick Figaretto: Yes, I have read the entire thread many times and I think some of my questions are still unanswered. Maybe that is enough for you but I am trying to gather all the information I can to make a good decision. I respect very much what "Check six" wrote(Honest questions deserve honest answers). Forgive my ignorance and thanks for your time anyway.

How many Pilots are there at EK?

over 550

How many nationalities?(list some please)over 50, English, OZ, NZ, South African, Germans, Bulgarians, Indians, Arabs, Canadians,Asians etc.

What is the first airplane assigned for a new F/O?

A330 or B777 wherever they need you.

What routes are the 777´s flying?, 310?, 330?

B777-Asia, Australia, London, Nairobi and gulf.
A330-Europe, Jbourg, Gulf and Sub continent, Manila, HK.
A310- NOT MANY

What is the salary of a Senior Line Captain?
38500 dirhams (3.67 dhs=1 us dollar)

How are the housing facilities that EK provide?
Vary from good to average but you dont get a choice. You may opt to take the housing allowance now, but it will not get you much.(85000dhs/yr)

How much is the rent for an apartment near the beach?(wife and two kids)
100000 dirhams/year minimum. All places are only a few minutes to the beach.

What is exactly the "amount" of help Pilots receive for child education?

100% of the first 10000 dhs then 90 % above that up to a max of about 19500dhs. (primary school) Secondary is 100% up to 20000dhs then 90% above that to a max of 39000dhs. The problem is getting your kids into schools and this is becoming a big problem here.

Travel allowances per year?

One free trip home per year then unlimited ID90/ID50.

Dubai is still a tax free city?

Tax free yes but cost of living is getting more expensive by the day.

Hope this helps, I would recommend you do the interview and you will be given all the info then. Also check out the web site www.emirates.com for more info.

Also to respond to Ficky: Sounds very much like a manager speaking!! And as to what the other 543 pilots have been doing in the last 4 weeks, I will tell you.

Whinging about how the company is slowly cutting our benefits, whilst trying to expand rapidly at the same time! Most of them are also probably reassessing how long they are going to remain here with EK !

SKYCAMEL: That was great help, thank you very much. It is ok with you if we contact by e-mail?.