BA recruitment to recommence soon.
 

Apparently (i.e. rumour)and on good authority, the mighty BA still need pilots, and will re-start selection programmes later this summer. Those in the pool have started to be summoned, but not always on the type they asked for...A319 seems to be favourite at the moment.

Still, heartening news.

Can anyone in the pool confirm this rumour..?

Precisely......I am not knocking what is being said here........However, it's interesting to note that no-one has seemingly mentioned this before........

Who knows, may be the "Pool" are all on a secret mission and can't talk about it LOL!!!

Good news if it is true though.....best of luck to all those concerned

C.N.

There are only 400 Flt ops positions to go with reference to the announced job losses so far (13200). This 'man-power reduction' is easily covered by initiatives such as part-time, unpaid leave et al. Coupled with the fact that there are something between 600-900 retirements over the next few years it doesn't need a rocket scientist to see that BA will need to recruit.

In addition, the 744 will 'gagging' for pilots soon as the Company are keeping some a/c that they thought would go. Whether DEP or from within - pilots required!

I doubt very much that there will be any external recruitment for BA at the present time any new entrants are more likely to go to CitiExpress.

CitiExpress Pilots, Mainline Pilots and BALPA still have lots of questions to resolve.

Oh goody - where do we all apply. After all I am sure we are all dying to work for Mr Eddington. Most pilots yearn to fly for an airline run by the Cabin Crew in cohorts with the Beancounters. YES, I say, I would relish sitting in the RHS of a Birdseed Whale contemplating 8 years to command and earning less than the CSD and Pursar comfortably chatting away behind me in First. Where they instruct me I am not allowed to sit.

I note with barely dampened enthusiasm that BA have withdrawn final salary pensions for new DEP's and that several unions in my new company are contemplating strike action. Meanwhile the sheer ecstacy that is the M25, LHR parking and Bus catching makes me virtually all of a quiver.

I just know that it will all be so worth it as I touch down in all those 'choice' destinations that my seniority will consign me to for a decade or so. I do think 3rd World countries offer such a rich cultural perspective on life and you hardly ever get shot at or anything.



It will certainly tax even the likes of Charles Satchi to sell a package that entails world leading appalling industrial relations, rock bottom morale, lower starting pay, long time to command and a no longer special pension.

PS <img src="rolleyes.gif" border="0">

Peter Skellan

Slightly bitter mate, don't worry lots have people have got a BA rejection letter.

At least BA give you the chance after a 4 year freeze to change from s/haul to l/haul or vv.Join VS,FR,GO or EZY and you are stuck in a groove.Do you want to fly one type until 55 or 60???.

There are current threads on this BB speculating on the possible demise of BA. Perhaps slightly exaggerated, but this is a company with BIG problems.. .Wouldn't be my idea of a good move. . .But then I don't need a job.

If none of you like the idea don't apply (if it's true).

. .Missing you already.

i just flew with management pilot who says no recruitment this year after a training meeting last week so take that as you will

PETER SKELLAN, whenever somebody mentions the possibilty of working for BA you pipe up telling the world why they should'nt.

I really hope you are as good as your word, pls dont appply, EVER !!

Can't you get it into your head that other people's ambitions may be different to yours. They may just want to see a bit more of the world than you, and get the opportunity to fly some very nice kit in the bargain. <img src="rolleyes.gif" border="0">

Am in the pool and no sign of any movement yet......I doubt they will take any unrated pilots for the time being.

The 'pool' refered to by Yasserfat is the group of pilots who had signed contracts prior to 9/11, but had not been assigned to a course. These pilots have been on full basic pay, and are now being offered courses, mainly on the B737 and A319/320 at LHR. Unlike some other airlines, BA allowed the TEP's to continue their training, and these pilots will have to be found places.. .There will be considerable movement in the next few years. Rather than ground some of the 744s as originally planned we will now be operating 56 in 2002 and all 57 in 2003. There are 200+ retirements for the next few years, mainly from the longhaul fleets.. .Loads are picking up in a big way, and the yields are also recovering. Most JFK flights are full in F and J. I don't think that it will be long before BA needs to start recruiting again. I think that aviation has turned the corner, which is good news for everyone, especially the wannabes.

Airclues

Peter Skellan :- I enjoyed your post, full of ironic humour and more than a dash of truth I'd say.

Maxalt :- Concur with your view, think it's a good time to be retiring from BA right now.

ps. Suggs, before you accuse me of having a rejection letter, I haven't. At the age I left the military I wasn't going to see a L/H command so there was no point in applying. As SS says, different people have different ambitions and I was lucky to fly some good kit all over the world. It probably IS fair to say that BA is not the great company it once was and has difficult times ahead if it is to survive........I hope it does.

Not that it would suprise me (mushrooms and all that), but if BA are starting to do this, then it is the first that the recruiters have heard about it <img src="confused.gif" border="0">

It seems to me that most of the negative posts about BA come from those who don't work for the Company.

BA has created a lot of its own problems and cannot blame the economy/09/11 for its misfortunes but why are these people hoping that the Company fails - what purpose will this serve?

There needs to be an airline that pilots aspire to and BA is in the best position to provide this. It has started on the right track to reform, albeit reactively and still needs to tackle working practices. You can be sure that the management will be looking at these areas when they have enough cash/confidence to take on the unions.

I can only take as envy this 'schaden fraude' aginst BA. I work for the Company but have been on the 'other side' working for charter/RAF. I am suitably placed to know that we work just as hard as our colleagues in other airlines (90% of us do anyway!) and we get just as frustrated at the Company's inefficiencies.

Please try and cut out the petty and worthless back stabbing.

I got three "No Thank You" letters from BA myself.. .. .Remember being very disappointed each time, especially when they were running ads in Flight that basically said "If you're thinking of learning to fly"!. .. .Couldn't face a fourth so went to work for AA.. .. .Glad I did. Funny how things work out.. .. .Good luck to those that did make it.. .. .Cheers,

PS. .. .&lt;&lt;I note with barely dampened enthusiasm that BA have withdrawn final salary pensions for new DEP's &gt;&gt;. .Could you provide a reference or similar to back this up? Or is it just speculation...?. .. .NoD

To all the people who are foretelling doom and gloom. Where were they 12 months ago when, despite its many and continuing handicaps, BA had started to turn the corner and was posting a nice little operating profit?

It amazes me that BA pilots - when someone has a go at BA - resort to the view that you must have been rejected by BA. This is just the sort of arrogance that gets Nigels their (largely) undeserved reputation. Just because a longhaul Speedbird callsign was your carrer zenith please don't assume it was ours. Personally I enjoyed a career flying combat aircraft, helicopters, big Boeings and latterly advanced Bizjets.. .. .I have several good chums in BA and they never cease to mercilessly attack their own company. Something I only do with a humorous overtone.... .. .Lets see. BA Regional crews robbed of their shiny Airbi and stranded with RJ's whilst BACE snap at their heals for routes. BA EOG crews viewed by HQ as a drain on revenue forced to become 'low cost' without the necessary slashing of overhead. Fortress Heathrow fiddling on whilst Rome burns, Paris and Frankfurt overtake them and the cost of living in the most expensive region of the EU rapidly neagates their generous allowances.. .. .Well at least you can console yourself with the "fact" that BALPA can "prove" you are the most efficient flightcrew in the business. . .. .Joe punter in the street can name but only three airlines (BA easy and Ryan) if challenged. Branson will undercut any Atlantic routes BirdSeed wish to milk and everybody knows or suspects it.. .. .BA will survive. They will either be much smaller. Or will sack 60% of non-operational staff and cut Cabin Crew remuneration by 44% and remain the same size.. .. .Air France and Lufti will suffer the same thing in 5 years time when they face low costs in their own back yard and rubbish domestic economies.. .Iberia, Alitalia and the rest of the basket cases will just have to die.. .. .PS

Jeeez, why do you guys always manage to hijack a thread on BA into something like "BA is bad, I don´t want to be there, those who are must be foolish". Get a life dudes.. .No, I´m not with BA, never will be.

Peter old chap:. .. .&lt;BA Regional crews robbed of their shiny Airbi and stranded with RJ's whilst BACE snap at their heals for routes.&gt;. .. .We don't even know if we will be flying these RJs yet - t's & c's not agreed. Talk sense, not twaddle.. .. .PS: plural of 'bus' is 'buses' <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="tongue.gif" />

In response to the cutting of final salary pensions ..... BA have stopped any new entrants to the original BRAL final salary scheme.....now money purchase for new CitiExpress entrants

I agree with most Of Peter S points and yes we are being rear ended in the regions. You do however, have a choice and if you do join BA you will work pretty hard all year round and you will take home less than some of our cabin crew.. .. .Getting back to the thread, last Thursday BA were trying to use BHX flightcrew to operate trips out of LHR. I am reliably informed that there were something like 30 uncovered trips on the Airbus at LHR on Friday.. .. .We are currently short of crews in some areas but whether this leads to recruiting has yet to be confirmed.. .Regards BP

"There needs to be an airline that pilots aspire to and BA is in the best position to provide this.". .. .Wot?. .. .Personally, my aspirations centred around flying an aeroplane, not an airline. BC, what have I missed?

Some great words the from Airclues on page 1. At the moment alot of people are hyper-ventilating about nothing. Pax numbers will pick up, recruiting will pick up and shares will pick up. People still need to fly and nothing will change that.. .. . Its only a matter of time before things will change. The only problem I see coming is when BA start recruiting there is going to be thousands of people inundating them with applications, which could produce a back log of its own. Just hope my wee application makes it through WHEN they start recruiting.. .. .Cheers WT.. . . . <small>[ 05 March 2002, 13:31: Message edited by: wtpurser ]</small>

There are only 7 idle DEP's(contracted prior to 11 Sept) without courses booked.

Actually, there are only 3DEPs without courses booked.

Willie Shafter - care to name another airline in which you could fly such a wide variety of aircraft (and if you don't speak Spanish or French you can rule the two obvious choices out).

Nice one Captain Airclues...at last some positivity...i'll be applying!!!

Hand Solo:. .. .Try AA, United, Delta, blah blah...I know, I know, not without a Greencard.... .. .Yup, BA is still a career to aspire to in the airline world - you can still do a lot worse. Despite Rodders (my former Boss...), good luck to them all. Actually, Rod might fight BA's corner quite well on the BUSINESS side (personnel is another matter). Who knows.... .. .Dallas Dude and I came through very different paths to AA, and are very happy to be here. Let's hope we all start recalling and recruiting soon...

Peter, I know many pilots who are glad they're working for BA. I also know some who aren't, but they tend to be older and jaded and are reluctant to accept that the world of aviation has to change over the years. A commerical company has to continually adjust to remain viable in the real world. We're not in a flying club! Isn't your use of words such as 'robbed', 'stranded' & 'forced' a little emotive for a commercial change to the regions that might well help the company's (and therefore BA flight crew's) long-term future?. .. .By the way, what makes you think that someone who's proud of their company is arrogant?

Every BA thread seems to complain complaints that FOs earn less than some Cabin Crew. Does this matter?. .I compare my salary to other pilots- even then, if it is less (it usually is!), that is a spur to me to try and negotiate more, not to try and force other pilots' salaries down.

Professional Pilots RUMOUR Network.. .. .Please,. .Not "Professional Pilots Bitching Network".. .. .It's good to see that a few people on this thread have remembered that it was about the possibility of BA re-hiring. Whether it's true or not, if we wanted an ask-the-audience on "Is BA Cr&p" we could have looked at a wide enough selction of old threads. This, guys, is getting a bit like a broken record.. .. .I promise I'm not here to ruffle feathers! But how can we expect to move forward and make progress in our companies if we're negative!?. .. .Sometimes we need to set aside our personal issues and stand together for the good of EVERYONE, not just so we feel better individually for all of 10 minutes because we had a good rant.. .. .Regards to everyone.. .. .Andy

The thread was about BA recruitment. I chose to highlight the fact that this historically welcome event for UK pilots will, this time, be cause for scant celebration. I did this in my usual colourful manner. Hardly cause to castigate me.. .. .I would go on to add that a man would have to work for a poor company indeed if he longed to join another that:. .. .i. Is geared at 300% i.e. owes 6 billion but is only worth 2 billion. .. .ii. Recorded their best ever profit last decade of 550 million (see above). .. .iii. Pays interest on its debt at the rate of any Junk Bond company you care to name. .. .i.v Has a pension fund of 9 billion that is rather too small to cover its liabilities under FRS17. .. .v. Has the worst industrial relations of any airline in the country.. .. .Mind you they do have a lovely diverse of modern aircraft to fly. Which is nice. I suppose.. .. .PS

And cabin crew too I heard - leaked advert -Wanted fat, old surly bags - must have sociopathic tendencies and natural aversion to hard work.

Oh dear.

No need to stoop to such a low level Percy. Ignorant, unfair and untrue.

Peter old chap, you also forgot to mention that your average BA pilot will , over their career, earn a considerably higher salary, get paid far higher allowances, have a higher standard of living (over which they can also exert some control) than any of their peers. They will also fly to the largest and most diverse number of destinations than any other UK pilot, all in nice aircraft.. .. .Staff travels not bad either.. .. .Would you care to let us in on the corporate utopia of an airline you work for, so we can all apply.. .. .(The above added in the interest of fairness and completeness. The fortunes of the airline you end up working for may go down as well as up.)