flyglobespan melt down!!
 

Think before you join flyglobespan! do your research! this airline from outside is the best around but inside now falling apart!!

only a warning to new pilots joining! talk to the pilots already there they will tell you they are not happy. conditions not close to what promised.

How so? Do you work with GSM???

From what I here on the ground, it would be sound advice! as their provisions for maintenance leave a lot to be desired, snags not recorded, defects cleared against dubious references, on the odd ocasion when a certified engineer is available, and that is very very rare. The Maintenace provider at one base has no certifying staff, and is resorting to approaching other companies to sign off defects!!!!!!!!!!!!

Beware Flyglobespan
 

Absolutely true. It's about time someone said something. All of those people waiting for a crap contract with only 15 days leave, think again. The company is massively disorganised. They have zero regard for crew welfare. The crew are getting pushed to do extremes of duty times, sometimes over 24 hours with several sectors positioning after a flight. Sometimes they stay at crap hotels with no food available.
Listen to this if you do not believe me, and check the Flyglobespan website to confirm it: The new schedule for the Cape Town flight is as follows: MAN-CPT 15:25z - 06:00z, and then minimum rest in CPT for a 21:35z check in for the return flight the same day!. Two 12 hour night flights. Excellent.
The report time for these ETOPS longhaul flights is a ridiculous 1 hour before departure, just to make it legal. Although, even that doesn't really help because there isn't even a proper rest area onboard, so it is making a mockery of CAP 371.
MAN-Toronto: Crew fly out to Toronto, hang around on the aircraft for 3 hours and then position back, sometimes in Economy. Duty time 20 hours through the night!
Toronto-Man outbound crew coach down to Cardiff which takes 4-5 hours, hang around in the airport for a couple of hours and then fly to Toronto with Zoom. Duty time 19 hours.
All because the company do not care and will not pay for a direct flight. I even heard a story that D********* takes a personal interest in crew not staying too long in a hotel down route, in case they forget they are at work and start thinking he is paying for their holidays.
The GLA-SFB flight is going on a B737-800, and they haven't even told the pax. Outrageous.
They are constantly chopping and changing the schedules so the crew are constantly dealing with pissed off punters.
The rosters are getting later and later. The xmas rosters have only just come out!!!

If I were looking for a job at the moment I would wait for Zoom to get going.

come on Blackbushe , tell us what it is really like then ?

all stated above is true. I have just been here one month and now making an exit plan. All other pilots i have spoke to are doing the same. I left a well established airline thinking grass greener NOT SO!! and it's a shame, think it's all down to new contract in india and under crewing etc..
All FOs were promised (carret) upgrades again... NOT SO!

It is not bad grapes with me, no just warning others to dig deep to find truth before making move. I'm now having to apologise to my wife for uprouting!! seems prior to november all was well.

what happened in November...anyhting significant, personalities, contracts etc? What's the India connection? Doing GLA-SFB for the rest of my career would be just fine...

Would that be Mr D******** that left everyone at Excalibur penniless on payday back in 1996???? :mad:

Did anyone else receive a christmas card from Zoom inviting them to an interview in January?

Absolutely nothing has changed then. In my experience, they treat limits as targets. I'm ashamed that I ever worked for them, I should have known better. They don't care and they never have.

weiss 5 - grass is always green. Gammon sounds a right old mess bordering on the verge of illegal practices, mind you I bet if the company threw money at it you would all love it!

shame
 

Gibson,
you have obviously got your head in sand! you must be glasgow based! you should be supporting your fellow pilots not knocking them.. oh, or are you pushing for a command, SAD! Flyglobespan needs less of people like you and more pilots to stand up for everyone/improve conditions and tells it how it actually is. Shame on you, hope you P++++ off to zoom.


You mention:- mr D..!!? seems like you wanting to kiss his arse for that cmd you so much want.. I'm sure all around you can see this. Stay in glasgow we don't want you hanging around us.

:} oh ya... I will not be working days off for £250 but i think you will work day off for nothing for mister D.

Happy holidays

Sounds like the CAA should get involved here. Thankfully it`s people like Weiss 5 and Mr Gammon Flaps that bring to the public`s attention shoddy operators like this , unfortunately it people like W Cdr Gibson who blindly support and defend such a bad operator as this out of self interest and an overall lack of intergity. We don`t need back stabbing pilots like that , there`s enough about already. Let`s hope they disappear.

Anyone shed some light on how the Cabin crew are treated with this outfit ??? And how moral is with them ??

W Cdr Gibson .... Talks Mince ..Squared..!!
 

Well said 6000PIC

A lack of integrity is unfortunately becoming all too common at GSM these days...!!
Started off as a great opportunity.. first class support from the traveling public... and generally a great bunch of guys and gals operating on the aircraft(s)..!!

But the eye appears to be very much off the ball at the moment particularly on the B737 fleet... with an "If you don't like it .. you can eff off"... attitude permeating it's way down to the troops on the frontline..!!
Additionally - no salary review .. not even an RPI increase.. since March 2005 - you can guess that a large number of CV's are already in circulation with the opposition..!!

P.S... What's the betting that W Cdr Gibson is Black_Bush incognito??... There is something in the style of his post(s) that mirrors exactly the threatening drivvel of the standard B737 fleet memo's..!!!


Such a pity... it's been great. and it's been fun. But it ain't been Great Fun!!!

6000PIC
Fairly common practice these days for Charter airlines to get crews to operate out and deadhead back on the same aircraft, commonly a end of season thing. OK it might not be nice roading it to CWL and then paxing for a total of 19 hrs but its again a fairly common practice for "lean and mean" Companies.
Whichever way, the CAA are not interested in the stuff above, it's all legal (but not sociable i agree)

Couldn't give a 'tinkers cuss' if this deadheading back to base is legal or not.
By flagging these issues up it means we can make an informed (to a certain degree) decision who we would like to work for, and nobody in the right mind would be putting up with T&C's like GSM.

Real shame these LoCo companies are just cheapening evrything they touch.
MOL being the worst offender

Something that happens at MON all the time, although the current CC are getting plenty of support to change this unreasonable and quite frankly morally corrupt practice.
Don't forget that your vehicle insurer as well as the CPS would take a dim view if you had an injury causing accident, and it could be proved you have been on duty for an excessive length of time.

I'm afraid the LoCo operators have dragged the industry into the gutter, from which it will never recover.
Although it may be legal to deadhead back to base, it is still wrong. The crew still have to drive home.
So here's one for the Chief Execs:
Do you really want to share the same road as one of your crew, who has been on duty for the previous 19 or 20 hours?
......and why do you expect the public to do the same, when you know full well that fatigue is a major cause of road traffic accidents?

Colin Monkfish/Spinnaker

I dont know about MOL's terms however as a humbleorange line Captain withe just over 5 years in i am on target to do over £100k this tax year .If the share price keeps on going up or even staying where it is , my share options alone next year are worth nearly £50 k.
Your right , these loco's are ruining everything !
yes i work hard when i am at work so what , most people who work for anything other than local government these days work long days everyday without the 3 or 4 days off after 5 working days .They dont get standbys either .I wouldnt fancy a real job and if EZY keep on "ruining it"like this then bring it on i say !

There is a world of difference between the likes of EZY and the likes of GSM / Flybe gents .The orange world is not perfect , however as a safe credible employer with an overall reasonable financial package its pretty good .

There wil always be startup's like GSM who are cutting everything to the bone in order to try and get things going , it is very difficult to compete with EZY and FR now due to their cost base , free capital and brand presence .Mr D may have deep pockets are they deep enough ? time will tell . In the meantime there are jobs in Scotland on Jets for those who are prepared to put up with the crap , if its that bad leave !

I did!

You only mention Orange, and then, only the money. There's more to life than just money, unless you’re a bit on the shallow side.

BTW do you think it is safe to drive home in a state of fatigue? Just curious.

Industry Standard
 

Eff Oh and Nil Further....

Sorry, our posts were deleted as the thread degenerated into expletives from third parties.

My (deleted) point was not personally directed and I hope you did not feel in any way offended, but I was alluding to the possibility that an airline with poor Terms and Conditions would not be particularly concerned about the standard of its crews. Since we cannot see one another on Pprune, the impression we give others is in what we write.

As it happens, I agree 100% with Nil Further and I hope you guys saw my apology to you before it was deleted by the mods.

One can only sympathise with the guys who work for companies who would exploit them rather than give them a fair deal and I think that this is the real issue here.

A few years ago I couldn't even spell pilto and now I are one!

Fair enough. It was getting out of hand, which is what my post was about.

I agree. I am a member of other forums (unrelated to aviation), when things get out of hand the mods do step in, but they also leave a note as to why. There have to be rules, and the mods have a job to do, but a one line note helps in the interest of healthy debate.

Just a suggestion that's all.

Is it true u guys at Globespan are operating outta Ireland this summer on behalf of Excell Ireland. Any Irish bases going?

[QUOTE=weiss5;3037001]Gibson,
you have obviously got your head in sand! you must be glasgow based! you should be supporting your fellow pilots not knocking them.. oh, or are you pushing for a command, SAD!
My god, I can't beleive there are people with nothing better to do on Christmas day than to bitch about their employer, that is SAD!

Spinnaker, careful who you tar with that statement. Not all Loco's are the same. I too am happy with my renumeration and my workload.

From the EZY rostering and crewing agreement:
When a pilot returns to base having gone more than 1 hour into discretion or having been on duty 14 hrs the pilot may request hotel accommodation at base at the Company’s expense in order to reduce the possibility of an accident, due to fatigue, whilst commuting home.

I accept your forthcoming apology.

Scottie,

well said - perhaps some members may have a chip on both shoulders depending on how well their interview went !

Scottie

What a sensible idea, any idea if that is seen as a taxable benefit? (accom at home base), - at my Company it is....:\

Well said. Too many people out there just don't realise how much EZY has changed in the last 18 months. Yes we may do 800+ hours per year - but so do BA shorthaul and they do a lot of their duties away from home for 3-4 days at a stretch - great for family life :hmm:

EZY now has 5/3/5/4 roster agreement in place for Winter AND Summer 07 with possible further improvement for Winter 07. My rosters are always published on the 17th of each month for the next month and are very stable with perhaps one or two changes per month (disruption payments can apply).

All staff were given two weeks basic salary worth of shares recently as recognition of our efforts during a "difficult" summer - a nice touch from a LoCo! I've been in the current share schemes for about 16 months and they are currently "worth" over £40k - not too bad and I am well aware that the price of shares can go (right) down as well as up!

It's musical chairs at the moment for pilots - jobs abound. But ask yourself where would rather be when the downturn inevitably comes. I've said it before - you could do a lot worse than the Orange order.

For those concerned about positioning and then driving home - just mention the words "duty of care" and "Corporate liability" to your management. Any responsible company WILL provide you with accomodation.

Happy New Year to you all,

Fly safe in 2007.

A4 :ok:

Could anyone tell how frequently this deadheading back To MAN after a transatlantic flight occurs, surely it must be a temporary thing and occurs only when absolutely necessary.

Any crews care to comment

CPML

Is this not the norm for low-cost or charter ops? Whilst employed as an LAE - I've got 767 B2; maybe I'll approach Globespan! - I worked mainly for the maintenance arms of UK charter airlines. Keeping costs to the minimum was the norm (I'm not condoning the practices mentioned above). I remember one company would carry an engineer on board from the UK to Kenya, expect him to deal with the turnaround and then fly back with it. Didn't last for long - someone raised a CHIRP.

Tis just because they're a bit stretched with the Air India stuff.
I'd think it'll get better when they finish their fleet buying and recruitment.
Mates there like it, just a bit hectic at mo and tell they don't have a rod up their arse like FC does!

Remember, 'only believe half of what you see and nothing of what you read'?
Then again, you could not believe that either :confused:

Supergimp,

Elaborate please?!
Where have you heard this?!

Your long-hall ops sound like Blue Paranoia ( that infamous farce of an airline from MXP and FCO) reincarnated ( although they haven't died yet)My god this long haul lark sounds like such fun (not). Oh well, good luck with staying awake on the drive home, maybe I'll try and think of you next time I feel like wingeing too much about my lot in Ryanair. . . . or then again maybe not, I'm still entitled to want better too.

I don't know! Haven't had to use it yet but it is nice to know we have the option. :)

Seems to be a permanent arrangement.

Also heard recently from the staff at LPL that 737 flights are to stop from March. 757 only to operate to NY.

Just curious, are Globespan recruiting for direct entry commands on the 767?

TBE.