flyglobespan melt down!!
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flyglobespan melt down!!
Think before you join flyglobespan! do your research! this airline from outside is the best around but inside now falling apart!!
only a warning to new pilots joining! talk to the pilots already there they will tell you they are not happy. conditions not close to what promised.
only a warning to new pilots joining! talk to the pilots already there they will tell you they are not happy. conditions not close to what promised.
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From what I here on the ground, it would be sound advice! as their provisions for maintenance leave a lot to be desired, snags not recorded, defects cleared against dubious references, on the odd ocasion when a certified engineer is available, and that is very very rare. The Maintenace provider at one base has no certifying staff, and is resorting to approaching other companies to sign off defects!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Beware Flyglobespan
Absolutely true. It's about time someone said something. All of those people waiting for a crap contract with only 15 days leave, think again. The company is massively disorganised. They have zero regard for crew welfare. The crew are getting pushed to do extremes of duty times, sometimes over 24 hours with several sectors positioning after a flight. Sometimes they stay at crap hotels with no food available.
Listen to this if you do not believe me, and check the Flyglobespan website to confirm it: The new schedule for the Cape Town flight is as follows: MAN-CPT 15:25z - 06:00z, and then minimum rest in CPT for a 21:35z check in for the return flight the same day!. Two 12 hour night flights. Excellent.
The report time for these ETOPS longhaul flights is a ridiculous 1 hour before departure, just to make it legal. Although, even that doesn't really help because there isn't even a proper rest area onboard, so it is making a mockery of CAP 371.
MAN-Toronto: Crew fly out to Toronto, hang around on the aircraft for 3 hours and then position back, sometimes in Economy. Duty time 20 hours through the night!
Toronto-Man outbound crew coach down to Cardiff which takes 4-5 hours, hang around in the airport for a couple of hours and then fly to Toronto with Zoom. Duty time 19 hours.
All because the company do not care and will not pay for a direct flight. I even heard a story that D********* takes a personal interest in crew not staying too long in a hotel down route, in case they forget they are at work and start thinking he is paying for their holidays.
The GLA-SFB flight is going on a B737-800, and they haven't even told the pax. Outrageous.
They are constantly chopping and changing the schedules so the crew are constantly dealing with pissed off punters.
The rosters are getting later and later. The xmas rosters have only just come out!!!
If I were looking for a job at the moment I would wait for Zoom to get going.
Listen to this if you do not believe me, and check the Flyglobespan website to confirm it: The new schedule for the Cape Town flight is as follows: MAN-CPT 15:25z - 06:00z, and then minimum rest in CPT for a 21:35z check in for the return flight the same day!. Two 12 hour night flights. Excellent.
The report time for these ETOPS longhaul flights is a ridiculous 1 hour before departure, just to make it legal. Although, even that doesn't really help because there isn't even a proper rest area onboard, so it is making a mockery of CAP 371.
MAN-Toronto: Crew fly out to Toronto, hang around on the aircraft for 3 hours and then position back, sometimes in Economy. Duty time 20 hours through the night!
Toronto-Man outbound crew coach down to Cardiff which takes 4-5 hours, hang around in the airport for a couple of hours and then fly to Toronto with Zoom. Duty time 19 hours.
All because the company do not care and will not pay for a direct flight. I even heard a story that D********* takes a personal interest in crew not staying too long in a hotel down route, in case they forget they are at work and start thinking he is paying for their holidays.
The GLA-SFB flight is going on a B737-800, and they haven't even told the pax. Outrageous.
They are constantly chopping and changing the schedules so the crew are constantly dealing with pissed off punters.
The rosters are getting later and later. The xmas rosters have only just come out!!!
If I were looking for a job at the moment I would wait for Zoom to get going.
Last edited by Mr Gammon Flaps; 20th December 2006 at 11:17.
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all stated above is true. I have just been here one month and now making an exit plan. All other pilots i have spoke to are doing the same. I left a well established airline thinking grass greener NOT SO!! and it's a shame, think it's all down to new contract in india and under crewing etc..
All FOs were promised (carret) upgrades again... NOT SO!
It is not bad grapes with me, no just warning others to dig deep to find truth before making move. I'm now having to apologise to my wife for uprouting!! seems prior to november all was well.
All FOs were promised (carret) upgrades again... NOT SO!
It is not bad grapes with me, no just warning others to dig deep to find truth before making move. I'm now having to apologise to my wife for uprouting!! seems prior to november all was well.
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............The company is massively disorganised. They have zero regard for crew welfare. The crew are getting pushed to do extremes of duty times, sometimes over 24 hours with several sectors positioning after a flight. Sometimes they stay at crap hotels with no food available........
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shame
Gibson,
you have obviously got your head in sand! you must be glasgow based! you should be supporting your fellow pilots not knocking them.. oh, or are you pushing for a command, SAD! Flyglobespan needs less of people like you and more pilots to stand up for everyone/improve conditions and tells it how it actually is. Shame on you, hope you P++++ off to zoom.
You mention:- mr D..!!? seems like you wanting to kiss his arse for that cmd you so much want.. I'm sure all around you can see this. Stay in glasgow we don't want you hanging around us.
you have obviously got your head in sand! you must be glasgow based! you should be supporting your fellow pilots not knocking them.. oh, or are you pushing for a command, SAD! Flyglobespan needs less of people like you and more pilots to stand up for everyone/improve conditions and tells it how it actually is. Shame on you, hope you P++++ off to zoom.
You mention:- mr D..!!? seems like you wanting to kiss his arse for that cmd you so much want.. I'm sure all around you can see this. Stay in glasgow we don't want you hanging around us.
oh ya... I will not be working days off for £250 but i think you will work day off for nothing for mister D.
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Sounds like the CAA should get involved here. Thankfully it`s people like Weiss 5 and Mr Gammon Flaps that bring to the public`s attention shoddy operators like this , unfortunately it people like W Cdr Gibson who blindly support and defend such a bad operator as this out of self interest and an overall lack of intergity. We don`t need back stabbing pilots like that , there`s enough about already. Let`s hope they disappear.
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W Cdr Gibson .... Talks Mince ..Squared..!!
Well said 6000PIC
A lack of integrity is unfortunately becoming all too common at GSM these days...!!
Started off as a great opportunity.. first class support from the traveling public... and generally a great bunch of guys and gals operating on the aircraft(s)..!!
But the eye appears to be very much off the ball at the moment particularly on the B737 fleet... with an "If you don't like it .. you can eff off"... attitude permeating it's way down to the troops on the frontline..!!
Additionally - no salary review .. not even an RPI increase.. since March 2005 - you can guess that a large number of CV's are already in circulation with the opposition..!!
P.S... What's the betting that W Cdr Gibson is Black_Bush incognito??... There is something in the style of his post(s) that mirrors exactly the threatening drivvel of the standard B737 fleet memo's..!!!
Such a pity... it's been great. and it's been fun. But it ain't been Great Fun!!!
A lack of integrity is unfortunately becoming all too common at GSM these days...!!
Started off as a great opportunity.. first class support from the traveling public... and generally a great bunch of guys and gals operating on the aircraft(s)..!!
But the eye appears to be very much off the ball at the moment particularly on the B737 fleet... with an "If you don't like it .. you can eff off"... attitude permeating it's way down to the troops on the frontline..!!
Additionally - no salary review .. not even an RPI increase.. since March 2005 - you can guess that a large number of CV's are already in circulation with the opposition..!!
P.S... What's the betting that W Cdr Gibson is Black_Bush incognito??... There is something in the style of his post(s) that mirrors exactly the threatening drivvel of the standard B737 fleet memo's..!!!
Such a pity... it's been great. and it's been fun. But it ain't been Great Fun!!!
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6000PIC
Fairly common practice these days for Charter airlines to get crews to operate out and deadhead back on the same aircraft, commonly a end of season thing. OK it might not be nice roading it to CWL and then paxing for a total of 19 hrs but its again a fairly common practice for "lean and mean" Companies.
Whichever way, the CAA are not interested in the stuff above, it's all legal (but not sociable i agree)
Fairly common practice these days for Charter airlines to get crews to operate out and deadhead back on the same aircraft, commonly a end of season thing. OK it might not be nice roading it to CWL and then paxing for a total of 19 hrs but its again a fairly common practice for "lean and mean" Companies.
Whichever way, the CAA are not interested in the stuff above, it's all legal (but not sociable i agree)
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Couldn't give a 'tinkers cuss' if this deadheading back to base is legal or not.
By flagging these issues up it means we can make an informed (to a certain degree) decision who we would like to work for, and nobody in the right mind would be putting up with T&C's like GSM.
Real shame these LoCo companies are just cheapening evrything they touch.
MOL being the worst offender
By flagging these issues up it means we can make an informed (to a certain degree) decision who we would like to work for, and nobody in the right mind would be putting up with T&C's like GSM.
Real shame these LoCo companies are just cheapening evrything they touch.
MOL being the worst offender
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Fairly common practice these days for Charter airlines to get crews to operate out and deadhead back on the same aircraft, commonly a end of season thing. OK it might not be nice roading it to CWL and then paxing for a total of 19 hrs but its again a fairly common practice for "lean and mean" Companies.
Don't forget that your vehicle insurer as well as the CPS would take a dim view if you had an injury causing accident, and it could be proved you have been on duty for an excessive length of time.
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Couldn't give a 'tinkers cuss' if this deadheading back to base is legal or not.
By flagging these issues up it means we can make an informed (to a certain degree) decision who we would like to work for, and nobody in the right mind would be putting up with T&C's like GSM.
Real shame these LoCo companies are just cheapening evrything they touch.
MOL being the worst offender
By flagging these issues up it means we can make an informed (to a certain degree) decision who we would like to work for, and nobody in the right mind would be putting up with T&C's like GSM.
Real shame these LoCo companies are just cheapening evrything they touch.
MOL being the worst offender
Although it may be legal to deadhead back to base, it is still wrong. The crew still have to drive home.
So here's one for the Chief Execs:
Do you really want to share the same road as one of your crew, who has been on duty for the previous 19 or 20 hours?
......and why do you expect the public to do the same, when you know full well that fatigue is a major cause of road traffic accidents?