Ryanair / CityJet
 

Hi all

Just want to ask a few basic questions to any cityjet or ryanair pilots out there! Im a young pilot almost finished the multi-IR with the fATPL and am going to apply to both CityJet and Ryanair. I know both airlines have pros and cons but still-i am willing to pay for a type rating and just want to know basic info about either airline-such as pay and conditions!

I would greatly appreciate if pilots from either company could let me know what the conditions in either company are really like and if they are as bad as others say!

Like in Ryanair what exactly happens in your first year? Iv heard there is absolutely no pay until you go on the line and then something like 8000 pounds sterling in the second six months-is this true? If so what would a FO in his/her second year expect to earn and likewise in his/her third year? What are the ryanair bases like-do you get an option or are you just based somewhere-and if so what are the usual bases? Is it really a 5 on 4 off roster?

Same kind of questions for any cityjet guys-i know the basic pay is €22,000 in year one for a SO but how much does it cost to live in Paris for the year and how much can one expect to earn in his/her second and third years. and how easy is it to get to command etc?

Would anyone advise one airline over the other for any specific resons?

I know my post is a bit all over the place but still i would appreciate any feedback-feel free to pm me either if it is easier.

Thanks in advance-Lorcan!

Ryan Air And Faa License
 

hello

Anyone know if it is possible to get hired by Ryan air or Esay jet with an FAA license if you are a citizen from the European community?

Thank you for your help

No it isn't. You'll need to convert your FAA licence to a JAA one which means doing the dreaded 14 ground school exams! I'm doing exactly that at the moment!

Good luck.

here was i saw on RYan air website

Our Requirements

Ideally you should have a JAR or EU licence and you must speak fluent English.

does that mean u dont need the JAA license?
i don treally know ho wto understand this sentence also i hear dguys got hired with only FAA license and they had time to convert it while flying for Ryanair.

whats is your background Captain yonder?
and are you from the EU?

You may work for Ryan without a JAA license, but you will have to get (pay for) an IAA (Irish authoraty) validation for your FAA license (for 1 year)...so, you can start with a validation, but you will have to study very hard to get your JAA within 1 year...
:ok:
Rgs

thanks rippa


and what happens at the end of the year if u dont have your JAA license?
do u know the price to pay for that Irish authority validation of your FAA license?

also if you have 2500 hours including 1500 hours CRJ 200 do u still need to pay for a 737 type?

Thanks for the help

Ar eu flying at Ryanair and have u done that?

A TRE with an IAA licence can't legally sign a type, or instrument rating, on a UK ATPL. He can on a JAA ATPL.
So, although you can legally fly RYR aircraft on a UK licence, in order to keep your licence current, you will need a UK licence holder to sign the validation, therefore RYR prefer a JAA licence.
This is direct from those awfully nice CAA licencing people.
(see CAA licencing rip off? post in the Questions forum).

flyingsaucer,

Let me tell you about my experience with Ryanair: I had my sim assessment nov/2005, passed and the guys from brookfield sent me a contract...after reviewing carefully the contract, I declined the proposal and took another job at my home country. I did my way via brookfield, once I do not have a EU passport, although I may get a Italian citizenship (my grandfather was Italian). Before trying Ryanair and spending a lot of money on that, think carefully if you really need that:confused: ...I have lots of friends at Ryan and most of the guys are pretty happy, but if brookfield is your option, take care with issues like taxes and money evasion...That was the main concern I had and one of the reasons that I gave up..I live in Brasil, and after all, why would I leave my country to do something illegal abroad? :ok: Think about that...
Anyway, this is what the guys from brookfield say about JAA license:


"I don’t have a JAA licence, can I fly on my ICAO licence with a validation?

The IAA issues validations for 6 months with a renewal possible to a maximum of 12 months. You will need to have an Irish medical examination which takes place in Dublin and should be arranged well in advance as there is generally a 6 – 8 week waiting list. It takes place in Dublin, at the Mater Clinic (contact Sharon +35318858615 or [email protected]) The cost of the medical at the time of writing is 604 euros, the IAA validation fee is 313 euros and if you need a visa to enter the Republic of Ireland a Irish multiple entry visa will cost GBP £70. Validation information costs and forms should be available from the IAA website (www.iaa.ie or phone +35316031191)"


I am required to get a JAA licence within 12 months. How do I do it?

The information on Irish schools is on the IAA website and UK schools on the UK CAA website (www.CAA.co.uk) alternatively there are schools listed in the back pages of Flight International, Flyer, Pilot etc. There is also a school in Florida which advertises UK ATPL JAA theory courses. Generally these exams can be studied by enrolling on a theory distance learning course. The study is split into 2 x 7 exams across a 6 – 9 months period, so this will need to be started very soon after receiving your first validation in order to fit it into the 12 months. The approximate cost of the distance learning course is 1500 pounds sterling and the 14 theoretical exams are 99 euros each.

737 TR

I don’t have a 737 type-rating. How can I make myself acceptable to Ryanair?

Contract pilots who need to undergo type training must do so at their own expense with one of Ryanair’s approved schools in Sweden or Holland . The cost is between 24,000 & 30,000 euros plus living expenses. It is only possible for these schools to provide the type-rating for pilots with a JAA licence. Therefore if you are without a JAA licence or a 737 type-rating it will be necessary in the first instance to obtain your JAA licence. Pilots successfully completing the type training with one of these schools will undergo an extended amount of line training before undertaking their duties as either Captain or First Officer.

I have some more info if you need...just let me know.
Rgds

thanks again very interesting info.

first i am a french citizen with a FAA license so no problem working in europe.
but i cannot beleive that they would make you pay your type rating, but i guess that is the way it works in europe.
also how can the cost be 25 000 euros when u can get a type on a 737 for 5000 usd in the US?
Would i still need to undergo there training if I have a US 737 type rating?

Thanks again

I am not sure, but I think you will have to pay, once they ask for some experience on type. I had aprox 800hs on type, both 737Efis and NG, so I wouldnt have to pay for my GS. At that time, the minimum qualification they were asking was 500hs on type, but I believe they might have lowered that number by now...check www.ryanair.com
The best you could do is get in touch with the training dept. at ryanair.
Good luck !

flyingsaucer, you better believe it mon ami. If you find paying for your type rating incredible, how do you find ?. . . . . . paying for - your medical / licence renewal / uniform / I.D pass / car park pass / transport to and accomodation at simulator for recurrent checks and upgrade courses / no crew food or water / no loss of licence insurance / no pension / paying for your own manuals if required in paper form (no I'm not joking) / paying for a replacement cheque to be issued if the company fail to get your sector cheque to you / taking months (if ever ) to be reimbursed for any costs you incur at the company's behest (if you were nieve enough to pay in the first place) /the list is endless. Think you should really have a good read of the thread "ryanair, a guide for prospective employees" before you make any hasty moves. The outcome of the supreme court decision delayed from 21st Dec to 31st Jan should clarify for you , and everyone else , whether it is worth coming / staying here.

yes capt playstation it looks like a big hassle.
I could wait where i am and upgrade on the crj200 in 6 months and then fly a year as a captain and go to southwest or maybe fedex in the US, the only reason i am looking into ryanair is because i am kind of home sick and would want to come back and fly in europe.
what are you talking about when u say the result of the supreme court?

what about you i see you ar ein france ar eyou french and who do you fly for?

do you have any recommandation on coming back to europe as smoothly as possible

Well flyingsaucer the answer is simple. Ryanair have done to the pilots what they previously did to cabin crew, which is to turn them into a source of profit. So when you join and discover that the promises were not entirely honoured, you find it expensive/difficult to leave - but even if you do leave they will have made a handsome profit from you. (It is also worth remembering that their contract stipulates that they give you 1 months notice of termination of employment, while you must give them 3 months notice). This is another way of entrapping pilots.

All of this, of course, is why they just love new CPL/IT wannabes with money ... lots of luvvvly revenue and profit and minimal exposure to cost, since they only pay the trainee pilot when he or she actually flys (hence the long delays in training do not cost them a thought, even though the trainee might be in serious financial trouble).

Think if I had any possibility to go to SWA or Fedex I wouldn't be rushing back to Europe to join Ryanair. On 31st Jan the Irish Supreme Court are expected to announce their decision on whether the Labour Court has the right to arbitrate and make an award to Ryanair pilots, as the company do not engage in any meaningful form of negotiation. The answer is expected to be positive, otherwise the courts have just thrown the constitution out of the window, but we have to wait and see. I was in France, now in Spain,( or Catalunya, as they prefer in Girona) ,working for lovely lovely Ryanair,and no, I am another form of Gauliose, Scottish.Never worked outside of Europe so no idea, but if I was French (and young enough) I would only consider AF if you want to return to France. Everything else seems to be crap, bankrupt (or about to be) or in the case of Ryanair and Easy Jet probably on the way out due to the governments recent insistence that French based crews are employed on French contracts, which is much more expensive for RYR / EJ.

thanks capt playstation,

well i am 30 years old and for air france i hear dthat it is pretty hard and you need to have great recommandation if you want to be hired as a professionnal pilot, an dyou need to get your dreaded 14 exams from the ATPL as well as the french medical and som eother specific french licenses.
As for FED ex i could get there probably in a year or two, an dliving in memphis would help me get on with them, and i heard that they might open a base in Paris.
But the quicker way right now would probably Cathay Pacific i heard they are looking for pilots and they have bases in paris, london and francfurt an dthe FAA license is good and they pay well.

So how is it now??????

Good god man, what on earth are you thinking even considering ryanair???? :ugh:

If SWA or Fedex are viable options, stay stay stay stay stay...........!!!!!!

Despite what ryanair claim, they are NOTHING like SWA. Wish I could go to SWA myself :(

ryanair is quite simply the worst airline in the world.

Aegrescit medendo.
 

Yes, so dreadful in fact, that Camel Hair chooses to remain in:-
Were Ryanair as bad as this ******** ********* thinks it is, surely he and his tiny tribe of malcontents should leave to greener pastures? Evidently its much more fun to stay put, whine like a stuck pig, and to humiliate those who think they can make up their own minds.

He is, I admit, partly correct though.
No, we're much more profitable and, thank God, union free.

You just carry on getting better and better ! ..........I hope I never have to join you on a four sector day, my CRM isn't that good.

No fear that you will have to join cleo airhead mammal on the flightdeck.He don't get out of the glass box that often.A little like all the great dictators of our time,he just hides himself away and believes all the bull !!!! his minions feed him.egotistically believing that he is a god!NEWSFLASH cleo you are losing and losing fast.Next time you are on REPAWEB.ORG.have a good read!you are going down sister!I along with all those you have abused over time will be there to watch you squeal like the suckling pig you are.See you around LOSER!HA!HA!

Put out a new pay and terms offer and see what happens,go on,i dare you,LOSER!

Why are your posts becoming so boring and decidedly short cleo.Bit like the antics of the "BIG" man himself,starting to sound like a broken record,same old ads in the paper,getting smaller though,used to be full page.Saving a few bob to pay the victimisation claim,LOSER!

Leo, you clearly don't have a wife and family to worry about.

Apparently you are happy to have the terms and conditions which are DICTATED by your employer (I guess they "interpret" what the free market rate actually is by looking at tea leaves or whatever).

Just as a matter of interest: would you be good enough to just clarify your approach to salary determination (this is a genuine question): don't you care? or do you think that what Ryanair decides is automatically O.K.? or are you on a "special deal" which protects you from what your colleagues have to endure? (While I have noted that you never deal with realities or inconvenient questions, I am trying here...).

Your positions seem so remote from the experience of the people you ostensibly fly with that I cannot quite see how you reconcile all of this in your model of the world. Come, educate and delight us ... how do you reconcile all of this?

Oh, Leo! I am giddy with excitement. 1000 members and climbing on Repaweb, but thats not the best bit. Just wait until you see the numbers buying into the RPA! No tiny tribe. Unity brother. See you in the Labout Court next month?

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Ryanair cancer
 

Ryanair is another CANCER growing on the airline industry. I'm talking about the management and the way they are taking advantage of pilots (and other employees) who are willing to work under subpar conditions and wages in order to 'get ahead one day'. Well, that's all well and fine while it is a relatively small company but they have now reached a critical mass.

It's similar to SWA in the USA in that once a company gets big enough it has some clout in the marketplace to drag down real wages, eliminate pensions and prompt some onerous workrules.

I can't stand the comments I see like "if you don't like it, then quit, go somewhere else". Those are clearly written by people who don't know much about this industry. At 50 years old and 11 years seniority I don't want to start over at the bottom (again) somewhere else with so few years left to try to recoup the interim losses. Though, sadly, I am having to consider those options now. I worked plenty of years for low pay at crummy companies in order to 'get ahead one day'. Now it looks like there won't be anywhere to get ahead anymore.:=

I think it is right and appropriate for pilots at Ryanair to now stand up to O'Leary and bring him back to reality. I'm not talking about necessarily destroying the company. I can understand his want to control costs but really I don't know why he hates pilots so much and belittles them at every opportunity. Why do pilots (any human being?) put up with it?

As pilots, we have a unique position to make or break a company. We need to stick together; something we are not very good at (oddly). As Ryanair gets bigger and O'Leary gets bolder the pressure on the other airlines to match lack of pay & benefits will eventually lead to Ryanair being one of the best flying jobs out there.:{ Wouldn't that be a sad state of affairs for our once great profession? Just look at the SWA situation in the USA like I mentioned earlier. Not that SWA is an awful job, but it should not be the benchmark for top-tier airline jobs.

I love to fly and I probably retain many of the traits O'Leary loves to mock. He takes extreme advantage of our love of aviation, but he needs to remember that his airline won't "fly itself" however much he wishes it could. I'm not worried about him personally. O'Leary is a "flash in the pan" who will disappear with his millions (on our backs) when he has had his fun. Like he has so proudly stated: he has no real interest in the airline business or flying, along with all his derogatory "cloud bunny" comments; there are plenty more to take his place. One of the biggest mistakes we can make is to think he is anymore special to the airline industry than a cancerous tumour. But these clowns need to find out that we won't be treated like easily-replaced, unskilled workers that they wish we were.

When I now make less than the train driver (who has a pension) who takes me up to the airport to go to work, you have to ask yourself "have we had ENOUGH?" When an airline is virtually giving tickets away while requiring you to bring your own water on board, when are we going to say "ENOUGH" ?

It's almost embarassing when friends and acquaintances discover how few days I actually spend at home and how little an airline pilot actually makes nowdays. Not that I got into the job for the prestige but it did use to carry a certain amount of respect. People start to question your sanity when they realise the all hoops we jump through just to be treated like mud on the shoe by the likes of Michael O'Leary.

Sorry for the rant, but I couldn't hold it in any longer........

Well said GA Flaps 20. If more pilots in Ryanair said the same, and stood together, without a doubt the picture would change very quickly

180 TT wonder (rich) kids don't have enough balls to stand up against MOL.

GA,flaps 20.

You'd be a bit more convincing if you checked your facts. SWA are just about the best paid 737 pilots in the world right now. (See the thread next door) They certainly are not dragging anyone down. They were not the best paid for a long time and they were regularly dumped on by the ALPA crowd. They just had the bad luck of working for a company that made money every year.

"I'm not talking about necessarily destroying the company. " Can we assume you will if it suits you? What about the rest of the employees who may not appreciate your attention?

"At 50 years old and 11 years seniority I don't want to start over at the bottom" Pilots have insisted on a senority system that has some real benefits but also limits their mobility. You can't have it both ways.

It seems 737 rated ATPL's are in demand the world over. You want to hurt O'leary, leave. Enough people do that and it will sink in.

20driver

ryanair in trouble
 

Press Release
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05.02.07
RYANAIR ANNOUNCES RECORD Q3 RESULTS - NET PROFIT RISES 30% TO €48M - FULL YEAR GUIDANCE RAISED FROM €350M TO €390M
- Ryanair, Europe’s biggest low fares airline, today (5th Feb) announced record Q3 results. Net profit rose 30% to €48m., traffic grew 19% to 10.3m., yields were up 7% as total revenues increased 33% to €493m. Unit costs rose by 14% as fuel costs increased 52% to €175m. Despite much higher oil costs, Ryanair maintained a net margin of 10% in Q3, which is significantly ahead of expectations.
Summary Table of Results (IFRS) - in Euro
Third Quarter Ended...Revenue...........Profit after Tax
Dec 31, 2005...........€370.7m............€36.8m
Dec 31,2006............€492.8m............€47.7m
% Increase..............33%.................30%
LOOKS LIKE WELL NEED ANOTHER ROUND OF PAY CUTS LADS!!!!!!!!!

I'm sorry, why is Ryanair "in trouble" ?

It is standard corporate strategy to talk-down a company's performance in internal communications. Employees then recognise that more needs to be done to make the company healthy and their expectations of reward remain low.