i remember a guy who sued hooters in the USA because hooter only hire chicks with boobst.

he won...

try hooters air;)

WHats the world coming to!!!

Aussie

tyrolean selection
 

hi guys,

very nice reading all the comments on Tyrolean...., i'm going for the selection anyway this 28th november....

does anyone have some concrete information for the selection.....? especially for the ATPL-theory test (is it in english or german?) How can i prepare myself best.., do I have to learn all my ATPL manuals by heart-again- or are there books with questions which prepare me for the subjects asked at the selection....Is there a way for me to prepare me for the psych. part of the grading....

I really don't have a clue as to what i can ecxpect :confused: , so any information/links/books/summary's/tips would be great..

Beers for those who can help me a bit....:ok:

thanx a lot!!!

hi guys.....

nice reading all the comments on Tyrolean, nevertheless i will be going on selection 28th november...

Does anyone have info for me about the selection..For the ATPL-theory...what is the best way to prepare myself, or should I learn all my ATPL-books by heart- again- ...does anyone have any books/summary's/links/tips on to prepare myself the best possible way...? Because i have no clue as to what to expect...:confused:
Any tips on how to prepare for the psych-part of the selection..?

Beers on me for some nice tips!!!!:)

thanx a lot!!!!!

Lot's of info on the selection can be found in German aviation forums (most of it German, though).

A couple of questions regarding this.

Firstly what is a 60%/64%/80% contract? Forgive me but I've never heard of it!

Secondly do you still have to pay for the selection? If so can anyone tell me what the exact cost is?

Many thanks

MH

I don't know if they still charge for the selection. Used to be app. 300 EUR.

The TYR contract requires first year FOs to work 80% of normal block and duty hours only and get 80% of a nominal 1st year FO salary (i.e. the salary table already reflects the 80% restriction).

If they fly more (which they have to if the company schedules them) they get paid, but only on a yearly basis.

Tyrolean hired the last FOs on 80% part-time, resulting in an effective 64% contract that automatically changes to "real" 80% after 365 days. Snap-up t 100% is by crew demand..

The system is probably going to change to one where you regularly get 80% for the first 1-2 years and then 100%.

Hope this isn't too complicated.

Contract details including an English-language summary can be found at their works council website.

Now comes the fun part, everybody including me, flew and flies 100% during the first year whilst on a 80% contract, due to the crew demand. After that year you receive the hours you flew over the 80% as overpay, that buys you a whole lot of beer !!!

tyrolean
 

he guys,

can anyone give me a tip on which books/links/summary's I can use best to prepare myself for the ATPL-theory test...?

THNX!!!! :ok:

Sounds like a nice end of year bonus then! :)

Is this recruitment likely to be ongoing? I'm looking at finishing the ATPL (frozen) course round about may or june of next year.

Cheers

MH

tyrolean
 

hi guys,

very nice reading all the comments on Tyrolean...., i'm going for the selection anyway this 28th november....

does anyone have some concrete information for the selection.....? especially for the ATPL-theory test (is it in english or german?) How can i prepare myself best.., do I have to learn all my ATPL manuals by heart-again- or are there books with questions which prepare me for the subjects asked at the selection....Is there a way for me to prepare me for the psych. part of the grading....

I really don't have a clue as to what i can ecxpect :confused: , so any information/links/books/summary's/tips would be great..

Beers for those who can help me a bit....:ok:

thanx a lot!!!

Good luck with it Victor.

We'd appreciate some info on the selection when you get back if you get some spare time. :)

Can you confirm at all if they are still asking people to pay for selection?

Many thanks

Matt

As there is a constant loss of mainly copilots moving back to their home countries or onto bigger iron (e.g. Cathay LON) you can expect ongoing hiring, if not at the pace seen over the last 2 years. (The current resizing at Austrian might change that but at the time Tyrolean isn't affected.)

TYR doesn't do a lot of "reserve selection" as they don't expect people to wait for a call for several months. That doesn't say you're definitely with a positive selection but the waiting pool is more of a jacuzzi in size :)

Be aware that you're joining a very young crew. About a quarter of the current seniority list have joined in the last two years and hardly any of them are over age 30. So don't count on pensioners to vacate their left seats for you within the next 15-20 years. On the other hand we've been telling people that an upgrading after five years will soon be a thing of the past for the last ecade but so far that hasn't come true.

Is there any other info regards VO selection? Where does the language requirement apply? Would be interested ot hear from any Non Austrian applicants..! thanks!

victor charlie, as i remember it the CPL/ATPL questions were in english. Heard that they just changed the questions, roughly a month ago or so.
Good luck with the selection!

The language requirement is apparently not taken too, seriously, as there have been pilots who hardly speek any german at all flying for more than a year. But as Alpine Flyer said, you'll stay abit of an outsider if you don't learn some german. It's not that hard ;)

Alpen Flieger:
If I were really young, and could somehow convert to the JAR ratings, it would be very interesting to somehow be hired, live and fly for a very good airline over in western Austria.

But why? Well...the glittering (glanzenden, prachtigen) antiquities, palaces, music (Fest), beautiful mountains, valleys and rivers, paved bike trails and nice country roads, watch the service in a peaceful country church (like a small Wieskirche), enjoy the tasty food, the cloudy Weizenbier, (served by den sehr, immer attraktiven Damen). Oh well (-na ja?-). My wife and I plan to go again to Salzburg months after we move, and can save some cash. Wish I could quit this company and wander around there from April through November, from Zimmer frei to B & B.

Did I not mention the first-class cultural events, scenery and hospitality? My FOs help out with short-term memory loss, and whether we programmed the Douglas "steam-gauges" (just thump the oil pressure and N1 gauges..rotation...no help when thumping glass?).

I envy you much younger guys/gals :) . Viel Gluck dort druben.

Vo Kopiloten
 

CNX.......

Tyrolean Selection
 

Hi everybody,
I have an interview with them very soon, can anyone give me some information on their selection process?

Thank you very much

S75
:ok:

Sierraseventyfive,

when do you have the assessment? I have been invited for the 12th of December.

Do you speak any german? Where are you from?

Wilcoluca, you have your PM inbox full!!

Hi guys, i'm invited for selection on the 12 of March. Anybody there the same days?
Any info regarding the selection process?

cheers

How did it go? Hope you got through!

Any chance you can update us on the assesment items?

cheers!

TYR selection's week updated as requested...

DAY 1: ATPL knowledge (9 subjects out of 14, cannot remember which ones...). 100 JAA q's, FAA-Style (3 answer...), 2,5 hrs TT. Calculator and wizzwhell allowed...

DAY 2 (or 1 after quizzing if your name fall in they alphabetic order breakdown...): Psyco-day & guy, from 9am till 14:30, 15:00...be ready for a HUGE headhache...:E

DAY 3: simride (FNPT 1, PA34-V), unstable, 10 minute briefing to prepare urself, SID in a small airport (LJLJ or similar but does not have to be in Austria), NPA, MA, NP, land. Quick debrief and result. Done.

DAY 3 LATE (?): panel interview, fleet managers (F70/100 and DHC...), bad cop, good cop, you...Usual stuff, u r never ready enough, so...relax, think positive, stick or change if required to do so. Go figure.

Don't ask how I did do, do not flood my ebox with PM. That's about all.

Suerte

PZ :ok:

seems that things have changed. I was contacted by CAE to start with the assesment next week. I'll be doing it in Brussels and I have to make an english test, an ATPL test and a sim ride on a 737-300. Judging from the times they gave me it must be a pretty long sim ride. Its from 8:30 to 12:30...

Anybody else have any up to date info?

CAE is a different screening than the one mentioned before this post by papazulu.

Innsbruck @ Tyrolean is quite extended (at least two days) and CAE has the 1 day screening. Obviously after CAE screening when successfull, you need to go to an interview too.

usually you pass at CAE...
if you have the cash!but please, keep it for yourself, it's a :oh:

I won't tell, but how do you know this? Training is self sponsored anyway.

Self-Sponsored/Bonding
 

Is it still self-sponsored or have they gone to a bonding scheme. I was told by a TYR pilot that it's a complicated Self-Sponsored system, but is it?

The CAE way is self sposored, the other way is Interpersonal. Don't know about that if it's a scheme, bond or paid by company.

Via CAE you pay up front and get it back over a period of 5 years+interest

AFAIK Tyrolean also requires up-front payment of the typerating and will pay back over 5 years including interest. AFAIK they'll also recommend a bank if you don't find one.

Total TR cost will be approx. EUR 35,000. 28,000 +VAT for the TR + OCC training, base training and line training.

What do you all think of this? is this still fair? Dispite the fact that they refund it in 5 years you are offered an initial contract for only one year.

I am not sure they won't try trick if something goes terribly wrong but...

The 1yrs contract becomes indetermined after your working knowledge of German has been assested by the company as part of the agreement. After that the company will take on the bond for the TR if they decide for ANY reason to terminate the contract before the bond itself is over.

Although this way of "sponsoring" training is still a "take or leave" stand-off by operators, well...we have just ourselves to blaim since the SSTR wasn't born as SOP inside the airlines but in the sick-minded wannabe that started all this, ain't? Bonds have existed for ages and they were working well but someone decided that a "shortcut" to boost is career was needed and here we go again.

If OS helps with the bank and pays back the TR in 5 yrs it appears to me much safer and wiser that FR deal where TR is TOTALLY a SSTR, no chance to get a penny back and T&C's that we ALL well know...

After 1 yrs you can start breathing again...in German! :E There is nothing wrong in learning a new language, it helps a lot with...tourists!

PZ :ok:

Tyrolean will NOT repay the bond if the employment is terminated after the first year due to ineptitude of the pilot or if you're terminated without notice at any time for something like DWI, booze too short before check-in, etc. Does not happen very often, though.

If you're laid off for economic reasons (surplus of pilots) the company will continue to repay the bond unless you "use" the typerating by flying with the same equipment with another company.

Details to be found in the CLA which doesn't regulate the basic bond however, as this is in a separate contract before employment.

I do think that the repayment of the bond is fair. If you're forced to resign for medical reasons the bond will be covered by LoL which is partly paid for by the company (300€/yr).

bond
 

hi folks
i do not think, that the trainings bond is fair:yuk: , 5 years too long and in times now, where major airlines and i mean really major airlines are desperate of pilots i do not think it is a good deal. furthermore you have to think about your future propectives are there any especially on the dash. correct me if it is wrong what i am writing here. tyrolean is a good company in general but it can be much better if the management wants it:mad: . they have to look on their personal, many are leaving now, i say many? well, lost around 100 pilots now:ugh: , most of them realy good and i say it is a pitty to loose them especially their know how. i also left with some tears, :{ but this doesn't matter. i wish everybody good luck and if somebody wants to know something just write me.
cheers to all!!!!!:ok:

Spot on. This is what I meant. Pretty obvious that TYR or anyone else wont' pay for "their" partial failure selecting a rotten apple...:E, I though it was not worth to mention it. As you said, it does not happen too often, neither the new-hired crews due to surplus.

Airwjo...

5 yrs bond is too long, management is not nice enough, plane isn't big enough, career doesn't progress when and where you want, base is a boring place to live, etc, etc...Don't you think you are asking for a "perfect world"? Don't take me wrong: surely you are not longer a wannabe but someone that experienced a TYR-kind of career start-up and now looking for better T&C's. Well...If I was given the opportunity to be born again, you know...:E

Name at least one operator that gives you BETTER (in your own opinion...) T&C's that TRY and let's talk about it.

PZ :ok:

perfect world
 

listen papazulu
nowadays there is no perfect world anymore you have to work everywhere for your money and listen too, i am coming from private aviation world, so i know what i am saying
you want good airlines? lh, cx, vs, cv, qr, ek just to mention
yes you are right, i started at tyrolean and i loved it, it changed also a lot, but still we are far away from a professional airline paperless cockpit, rostering by yourself, fair leave system etc.
you are flying now for tyrolean good for you congrats but as i said it is a good company only the management should know what they have but they don't:=

Airwjo...

Way too agressive tone in your reply, man...No very nice to "hear" it from a pilot, though. I forgive part of it because of an obvious lack of confidence/vocabulary with the language. Feel free to not give it a f:mad:k, off course...:E

Now that your T&C's have dramatically improved since you left OS you can concentrate on PR's and good manners to fellow aviators just givin their point of view on this topic.

Yours Sincerely

PZ :ok:

PS: Not in OS, never been...yet. All those "nice" companies you named...how can you be so sure they are heaven compared your old employer? I have different reports from "insiders". maybe you worked for ALL of them, in which case...:E

TYR seems to have got the message as they are now quite quite intensively looking for measures to retain pilots.

Paperless cockpit and preferential bidding are on the way and the self-briefing flight planning software is also undergoing a major upgrade.

TYR will probably never be able to offer the same T&Cs as a major carrier but they are trying harder than they used to to be a good employer. It is understandable that that didn't occur to them during the last couple of years when they were more or less the only company hiring minimum hour copilots.

As for the bond, what is fair is mainly a matter of point of view. For the company it doesn't seem fair to pay for a typerating just to see that pilot disappear after a year or two. For pilots it isn't fair to have to bleed money in order to go for better conditions. I don't think there is an "ideal" solution for this dilemma, it will remain a matter of bargaining power and job market conditions (with the interesting effect that the pilots' bargaining position for a shorter bond is better when the company would most need it due to an open job market for pilots and worse when the company wouldn't care as no on is hiring anyway.)

Off to work....