08KaQAjQ:

You are reporting the Seasonal figures. EasyJet reports twice yearly - interims and finals, unlike RYR which reports only once a year i.e. finals.

Most carriers make a loss through the winter period, but this is offset by the summer period when they (should) make their money.

Last years full figures for EJ were a PROFIT of about £52 million with this years figures expected to be broadly the same despite a significant increase in fuel costs.

To summarise - easyJet IS a profitable company.

A4 :hmm:

OH NO NOT AGAIN !!!


08KaQAjQ,

We have this nonsense every year. NO, the Company is not making a loss, quite the opposite it is scheduled to make a profit for the FULL year circa 50-60 Million, I believe was the last estimate.

Airlines historically make a loss in the winter and achieve a full tax year profit, following the productive summer months.

Easyjet is therefore, one of the most profitable airlines this country has ever seen.
:cool:

WWW, quote:ANS: As above £90k+ FR.

Although as others have said there are by no means an ideal company to work for, as least with FR you know where you stand with the no bullsh!t what you see is what you get ethic. No american group hugging management horlicks, just hard nose take it or !!!! off!

I find myself basically in agreement with Flaps One and Colonel Klink. There is so much that is right at easyJet - some serious tweaks could just make it so much better.

NSF

What we now need is some seriously big tweaking apparatus!

NSF,

You are so right, but it won't happen until the management sees that pilots leaving in droves, poor morale and a potential parking of aircraft against the fence is a bigger issue than the costs involved in keeping them happy, or there is an accident. The only time they will care is when the flying stops, so I hope you are patient!!

What are EasyJets requirements for upgrade to FC, and how long time do you have to spend in the company before being considered? :confused:

Let me tell you something - like Constant Speed DU, I am so glad I left EZY!

I now work for one of the world's most profitable airlines, usually fly about 12 days per month and take home £500-700 a month more than I did at EasyJet.

I feel great, I've got my life back with plenty of time to socialise and play sports again, and I get more quality time with my family than I ever did before - this even though I will be away from home maybe 10 days a month.

I don't wish anything bad on EZY as it was a fun company to work for with a relaxed flight deck and good team atmosphere. But if you can't see how seriously they are killing you and there is no light at the end of the tunnel, then get the hell out of there! Plenty have now seen the light, and before you knock the TRSS guys too much, bear in mind that most of them are trying to get out soon as well!

Even if my outfit goes bust (unlikely, but always possible!) - well, better to have lived and lost than never to have lived at all. And that is it in a nutshell - EZY offers no life at all.

Comrade Gimboid where do you fly!

Shaka Zulu


Me thinks he flies with the VESTAL ones !!!.:D

Colonel Klink,

I agree with you that little is likely to happen until market forces make management move. Whinging aircrew without a united voice carry little weight or credibility. (No matter how valid the whinges!)

The problem for any management is knowing how long to leave it ... the lack of "right to lefts" and the "lets put commanders in the RHS" mentality displays severe system weaknesses which even the most committed company man must acknowledge.

If any sort of expansion is planned (mandated if a company is to succeed) then any delay implimenting improvements may be terminal. No training system can cope indefinitely with haemorrhaging, right to left upgrade requirements, and the large scale ab-initio training required for expansion (and thats not to mention normal recurrent training needs.)

I believe market forces are already here and pressing very hard - despite loud noises to the contrary!

So do I, which would explain the amount of people leaving. The recruiters at Ryanair recognise this also, that is why the fee for simulaltor assessments and reading/processing of CV 's has been dropped and why (if the rumour is correct) they are considering a "Golden handshake" and the possibility of 5 on/4 off. They know when times are tough they can do what they like, but that this attitude won't stand up when the pilot market is bouyant, like now.

You Gimboid! You hit the nail on the head! Pity other people do not realise that life outside of Ezy is amazing!

I think the scales have now tipped in favour of pilots. We are professional and have invested alot in our careers. We should stop airlines such as Ezy and Ryan from treating us like .... and working us to the limits! I was and I left! I have done more hours per year with my new company than at Ezy and have so much more time off. Four flights this month, they have luckily just cancelled my CUN.

If CC's cannot be bullish in this market with a marked shortage of pilots in the industry, they never will be. Take the bull by the horns and go for it.

I feel sorry for the existing work force at Easy as they will have to work their nuts off as pilots jump ship or leave for greener grass.

Constant Speed, Gimboid and all other BA-Virgin aviators and 5-2-5-4 haters,

you are comparing apples with oranges. You are flying long haul now, you have some very amusing time at the pool side and a lot of time at home. You can't compare long and short haul. Long haul life style has always more off time, while you have to fight with jet lag and enjoy/hate night stops.

Short haul is flying every day, like going to the office, and being (normally) at home in the evening. While I agree that long haul has its advantages, you cannot compare it. But not everyone has the chance to be accepted by BA-Virgin. Nor does he like to be a servant FO for another decade.

A 5-2-5-4 pattern is a very acceptable working pattern. A lot of major airlines use a 6-3 or 5-3 sequence. This is absolutly normal for a short haul operation. I don't know anything about the other problems people have with Easy's management, but also this seems perfectly common in the industry ;)

Dani

Hi Dani, I do 90% shorthaul!

Apples and Oranges
 

The problem is Dani that you are also comparing apples with oranges by comparing EZY to a major.

The issue is that EZY likes to present itself to the outside world as a ´happy family´ and a career airline (like BA and Virgin) but that nobody will last an entire career due to fatigue.

Major (despite using a simular 5-3 or 6-3 roster) do not constantly use their flight crew to the maximum, where as EZY have no problem scheduling you with minimum rest and maximum flight duties/block hours month after month.

Beg to differ, a mate at BA LGW shorthaul (737) is on a rolling 880 hours at the moment. Works hard than I do! They too are using 900 hours as the norm.

However they still seem to cram in 6 weeks leave! So if they can do it then why can't we?

My only hope is that winters and webster are leaving (aka the stumbling block) and the new boy seems to be more of a people person who might do things differently.

The thing most people are forgetting is that the only bases that really have a sheit lifestyle are them around the London area.
Most other boys seem to be reasonably happy.......
Yes there is the odd complaint left right and centre but definitely not enough to look for pastures greener.

And about the 900hrs, we could do 4/4 in LTN but it would NEVER sell in places where the route structure is less varied and or average sector length is less. Hence the Scottish bases are shafted doing 6 sector days....
So unless they start doing a roster that works per base things won't change. easy is too big now with such a wide variety of bases that you have to start differentiating.

I still really feel that the way management communicates within the company is very poor indeed and a culture is being created of the people vs. the company.

rant over, Cv dusted off
SZ

Constant Speed DU,

Jumping the orange ship has apparently given you so much free time that you now find yourself spending all this excess time on pprunu slagging off your former cpy. Why not try to get a real life, find a hobby or go and play golf and just be your happy self at your present cpy.
I joined easyjet just after losing my former job because of 9-11. Easy were the only one giving me a chance at that time where Air2k, JMC (at that time), Virgin etc were only kicking people out.
Being based in EDI, LGW and now DTM I've always been happy at Easy. Sure there is room for improvement but name me a cpy where there is't.

Dutch,

No nedd to get shirty! I too was made redundant by 9/11 and lost my job and went to Ezy (we were probably on the same type rating course - STOPPPP).

What is your point? I am writing about my experiences etc. and giving honest advice to people who want it. I now do not care about Ezy anymore. I enjoyed the flying but not the stuff that went with it. I was merely stating facts about my easy experience which I did not rate. Are you still waiting for your AMS base that you were promised in your interview? Probably - still waiting for them to come good!

Quote"Why not try to get a real life, find a hobby or go and play golf and just be your happy self at your present cpy".

By the way I do play golf and I have several other hobbies and still find enough time to write on Pprune. For your information it is pprune not pprunu.

There is some serious room for improvement! Look at how many people leave. It's not just one or two.:ok: (it should be the other finger!)

Yeah thanks for the correction! I strive to prefection but typo errors are still possible especially since English isn't my first language (you try dutch for a change).
I'm not the one getting shirty. I'm not a very active member on PPRUNE but I do read the occasional Easy topic. It just strikes me that your posts always have the same message ie. how bad easy is and how great your life is now and that more and more people should do the same as you have done.
We are all adults and very capable in making our own decisions in life thanks very much.

I had a feeling it was you on my typerating back then. The more ironic the situation is since you're back with the company that once made you redundant. Like going back to the ex that cheated on you........

No hard feelings at all from my side and I'm happy that life is treating you well at your new company but so is my life at Easy (no, they never promised me a AMS base altough I would still like one ;) ) but I think you've by now made your point crystal clear.

All the best!

Well said Dutch - CSDU you shoud read some of your posts, who for example opened up an old EZY post on T and C?.
Especially after being made redundant you should be grateful that EZY gave you a job and paid the mortgage. Problem is the short memory factor. You moved on, well done.
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I'll eat humble pie and wind my neck in. Dutch, I am not trying to give people advice but pass on my experiences. Anyway, twelve of us did the type rating together and more than half have now left the company. enjoy easy!

Ok you two, stop it! ;)

I can understand both of you. If Dutch is happy in EZY than I´m happy for him, but truth is that a lot of people are not very happy and that´s what this thread is about.

CSDU is, like he says, just describing his feelings towards EZY, nothing wrong with that. I´m happy that he is also doing well in his new job.

Just speaking for myself, I´m not too unhappy in EZY, however I do recognize a downward trend vector in T & C´s so I´m also looking around for a company with a bit more of a long term strategy towards it´s staff.

As said before, at the moment with 5/4/5/2 i can appreciate lifestyle has become very base dependent.

Having been based at LGW as well, I can imagine it to be a lot harder than for example in DTM where the lifestyle is very much protected.

I always find a lot of people say that they r leaving and life is !!!! but than again before you leave, put on paper what you've got now and compare the facts. The grass is always greener......
but analyse carefully what you leave behind before movin' on.

All the best

:D

I've frequently noticed that the level of discontent among my peers at easy is often inversly proportional to their experience in other airlines.

''The thing most people are forgetting is that the only bases that really have a sheit lifestyle are them around the London area.
Most other boys seem to be reasonably happy.......''

yeah right. NCL, BFS, EMA, knackered and leaving in their droves.

Flaps .... read what you said..
"It's so easy to lose track of fact and fiction on this forum"..... "Everyone is now leaving, but I've only met 3 of them."

Next time you go into the crewroom at LGW remove your blinkers and you'll see more!!

CatIIIB, apologise if you took what I said wrongly.
Here at LGW many of us also commute to further places ... ( See JP letter, if you can stomach it), and have had to change bases to get command then move back. We know how it feels.

4on4off .... really, come and listen ... guys are from all different backgrounds and many airlines ... we are all p*$$ed off. Nothing to do with airlines before .... and how many airlines should we be with before we can voice our opinion's??

The management must realise that the company is nearly at meltdown with the pilot work force. At LGW the only talk is that of other airlines, interviews etc from both sides of the cockpit.
We seem to be the only base that does not like the 5254 roster system, I can't really believe that. Since the management are not listening, the only thing we can do is now raise CHIRP's which is happening a lot now about fatigue, i urge other bases to follow suit as the only way to stop 5254 is via 'other' means.

As for BALPA, well ... when they produce the goods I will join. I heard all the quotes about a strong union presence since i joined ... and yet, each year we get shafted further with the help the CC full support.

Times are changing, work to rule is not in force but discreation is now a thing of the past for many, there is no good will.

We need a good pay deal, pay... pension.... lol ..... roster system .... treated like professional's ......

Pay deal around the corner, new MD, Flaps out of the CC ..... it could work. ....

.... Lets see.

FlyingOrange ...... but for how much longer??

you can rest assured that LGW is not the only base that dislikes 5254. Its just as !!!!! further north too :yuk:

Flying Orange,

If you are not part of the solution, you're part of the problem.

Your entire contribution to improving conditions at EZY is whinging here on PPRUNE. If there is a mass exodis to better jobs, what are you still doing there? If for your own reasons you choose to stay, you have no case for complaint if you choose not to be part of the only process able to improve things.

Two questions- 1) In what way does NOT being in BALPA help things?

2) Did you "Like" 6/3?

That just about sums it up!

That's just like saying, "I won't play in the match but I'll be there at the party if we win."

Quote:
As for BALPA, well ... when they produce the goods I will join. I heard all the quotes about a strong union presence since i joined ... and yet, each year we get shafted further with the help the CC full support.

New CC members now.

So Flying Orange - are you going to join BALPA and give them your backing to try and improve everyones lot at eJ or are you just going to let everyone else pay and reap the benefits?

Putting it bluntly, would you go into a pub and sit down at someone elses table and help yourself to their beer / food? Why not?

Don't whine if YOU are not prepared to put YOUR money where your mouth is. BALPA isn't perfect but you must realise it's the only option we have. A better deal for the pilots will work BOTH ways if it can stem the supposedly high (or potentially high) attrition rate.

Put up or shut up.

A4 :hmm:

FlyingOrange
 

What a sad character you are FlyingOrange! :yuk: :yuk: I completely agree with F1 and A4!

Geez Doug, what about agreeing with Wo????

Are there still any BALPA members on pprune that are not reading the Bulletin Board on BALPA's website?
It's a good facility of getting up to date with the latest!

Carp, carp, carp - you have brought this on yourselves!
 

Just a little message to all the eJ folks who are carping like mad:

You have brought this on yourselves. You thought it was big and clever to devalue this profession and prostitute yourselves for the promises of big money and early commands.

What have you got instead? An employer that treats you no better than farm animals and is trying to work you all into the ground.

No seniority lists? Masonic meritocracy? Leave if you want, but welcome to the bottom of everyone else's seniority lists when you do.

You have made yourselves the laughing stock of the profession. Your management now successfully "divide and rule" at will.

For the record, I have never applied. I never would. No bargepole would be long enough to put distance between me and your operation.

Gentlemen, you have brought this on yourselves.

A troll perhaps?:p

Well, thank God for that!

The problem I and a lot of other people have with ezy Balpa is their idea of what represents a good deal. In my years at ezy every deal placed before the voters has been highly recommended by Balpa. Vote yes is the message always given by Balpa. Great deal etc.

Well, I always voted no, thinking a strong group would vote no for something better to be offered. And yet it's always a yes vote.
Why? Because b*&^*y Balpa recommended it.

It would be great if Balpa had the gumph to say the deal sucks, vote no, and lets get a better one. But they never do, or is it can't do?

Ezy is now a very large outfit, with loads of diverse bases.

The guys based around London live in some of the most expensive parts of the UK, work the longest hours and get paid the same as those in Germany who live in far less expensive real estate. That's the way the dice rolls, fair enough for our German colleagues.

But maybe it's time for individual bases to have their own pilot body/group representing their interests?

Is this legal and practical? I don't know. But it would be nice to have an extra disposable grand a month and not move to Germany to get it.

Let the slating begin. :D

Bang or west
 

Sincerely hope for your sake that you never find yourself dangling off the end of a P45. Never say never pal cos you don't know what's around the corner.