Originally Posted by AIMINGHIGH123 (Post 11372260)

Here we are. Same here. As FO I didn’t get any of the leave I wanted. Not many did from those I have spoken to.
Every company has its negatives. BA when you’re junior it’s a bit crap. Probably working every weekend. 5 years in on SH from my previous colleagues they are getting more of the days they want off. Jumping to LHS yes you go to bottom of seniority but everyone joining BA knows this.

So you say BA Euro is poor. They need to up it for sure. Not by much. I compared my roster to my mates at LGW. Yes I had more days off but he hasn’t done any 4 sectors out of LGW. 2 sector days no more than about 10hrs duty time was his max. That was a “long” day.
Easy to swap days plus on master seniority plus staff travel, private medical, uniform, etc.

Heres RYR:
Captain Basic £105,000 1st upgrade £91,500

2nd £98,250

Allowance £6,000

Annual Leave £2,897

Sector Pay £14,714

Pension £8000

Total Annual Pay (850hrs) £136,611 after 3rd year



Schedule Block Hour Rate (SBH)£17.31



FO After 1500hrs

Basic £50,000

Allowance £5,500

Annual Leave £2,897

Sector Pay £8,662

Pension £3,000

Total Annual Pay (850hrs) £70,058



Schedule Block Hour Rate (SBH)£10.19

RYR Allowances: Loss of Licence, Health Insurance, Sim Allowance, Car Parking, Medical, Uniform/ID, Water, Phone.

So if you going to compare like for like.

Take allowances and pension off RYR as they are not included in BA.

BA LHR FO £65k basic without extras. Extras £15k say. Will be more than that.
A very close mate of mine hasn’t been below £4200 in his pocket since he started last year. £3k pay rise every year guaranteed. Negotiations on top of that. So……..
£125k basic as FO after 20 years. Plus around £15k. £140k as FO.

Plus you would have a lot of say over your roster.
Plus staff travel world wide.
ect etc.

Originally Posted by Steve1968 (Post 11373048)

In my own bed every night with my own wife and spending my spare time in my workshop and where I want to be, 40 years in BA would never pay me enough to swap companys.20 years ago applied to Virgin got accepted and turned it down , best decision I ever made ,money motivated not at all, just life.

Originally Posted by Steve1968 (Post 11373050)

whilst others I have
One day you might wake up and realise time wasted you can never get back, I've watched my kids grow up, never missed their birthdays or Christmas no money in the world can replace that, but I'm older than you i guess,

Originally Posted by plikee (Post 11373857)

This guy hits the nail. Yeah, BA FO in year 20 earns same as a RYR skipper, but it takes them 15 more years to get to that pay, while the RYR has hit it 5 years after starting. By the time the BA FO is going for the upgrade, the RYR is way ahead financially (and possibly in life AND professionally). Living out of a suitcase is not for everyone, likewise having management breathing in your neck. Intimiation works until a certain extent and some people are better than others ignoring the noise.

Horses for courses.

Originally Posted by AIMINGHIGH123 (Post 11373886)

You can go for command earlier. It was just an example.

Honestly I was the same and all for RYR and quick command. When you starting going into all the figures BA wins. I went through it with my mate. Pension is 15% at BA. All the extras.
Take Manchester for example. Car parking is something like £800 a year!!! You pay that after tax so really it’s around £1400 off your take home.
Just an example. Add everything up in detail plus the options SH/LH part time if you want etc etc.

Originally Posted by Steve1968 (Post 11371855)

Yes if you read the post, Thats after paying £4900 in AVC's which is not a bad take home pay

Originally Posted by Steve1968 (Post 11371855)

Yes if you read the post, Thats after paying £4900 in AVC's which is not a bad take home pay

Originally Posted by VariablePitchP (Post 11374064)

And the months you’re not making a disgustingly high AVC contribution?…

Originally Posted by ToCatLady (Post 11374056)

I don’t understand this FR argument of “in bed every night”

with a 4/5am alarm set 5 days in a row? Or getting into that bed near midnight?

Ryanair pilots think every other airline spends 28 days away in a hotel?

Long haul I was away 2-3 nights max and then about 5-8 days off afterwards. It was approximately 15-20 days off a month depending on the roster. You might need 24 hours to get back to feeling 100% but I surely would need the same after 5 days of repeat earlies/lates and multiple sector days. Short haul ops was great, hardly any nights away and those nights you did spend away included no time zone changes. Enough time for a decent meal and a drink in the evening and a stroll around in the morning.

Horses for courses and what suits you, but I simply don’t buy into this “5/4 in bed every night” as though it’s the holy grail of Aviation.

Originally Posted by VariablePitchP (Post 11374064)

And the months you’re not making a disgustingly high AVC contribution?…

Originally Posted by Theholdingpoint (Post 11374073)

Sure.
Please state the airline/s offering such lifestyle, I'll apply ASAP.

Originally Posted by ToCatLady (Post 11374081)

Flagship airline in Hong Kong.

Originally Posted by Steve1968 (Post 11374072)

That's paid every month on the same date. no reason to not pay it.

Originally Posted by ser (Post 11374076)

For a UK-based line captain, you're looking at roughly £6500 net/mo with maximum matched pension contribution. Varies +/- £500 with hours flown.

Originally Posted by ToCatLady (Post 11374081)

Flagship airline in Hong Kong.