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I've been out of RYR for about 6 years now so I'm a bit out of date with what they're offering.

I'm interested to know a bit more about the roster patterns they're offering nowadays. Is it still 5/4, 5/4 a week of earlies and then a week of lates?

Which are the best UK bases? :)

Thanks in advance.

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AFAIK 5/4 in all UK bases going forward. And in general the roster is very stable and one of the main reasons to join FR I suppose.

However you should note that it is possible for the company to change the roster patter in certain circumstances and I believe PIK was Fri-Mon ON Tue-Thu OFF during the winter due to the small size of the base. I don't know if this is possible again next winter. Maybe someone can go into more detail.

Its pretty easy information to find on the net but off the top of my head UK bases are PIK, EDI, Belfast City, NCL, MAN, Liverpool, Leeds, EMA, BHX, STN, LTN, Bristol

I believe the big circles on the ryanair route map are the bases. But looks like they didn't remove GLA and haven't yet added NCL

https://www.ryanair.com/us/en/cheap-flight-destinations

Belfast City BHD hasn't been a base since 2010. Belfast International BFS may be a base this summer but even then, it appears some routes are to be operated by Air Explore of Slovakia.

Okay I thought Belfast CITY was opening this summer but must have been mistaken.

Any chance with things being so tight in UK they might open up Non rated DEC recruitment?

Is Ryanair approaching the point where they may consider sponsoring non UK residents for a work visa?

All just rumours but apparently a lot of resignations in UKwhile they were already struggling to crew UK flights. A lot of Irish crew being used in UK based.

It’s obvious that they are struggling more in UK just by looking at the vacancies on the website.

I’m hoping UK NTR DEC opens up next…

The last few 6 months have gone crazy with airlines recruiting.

RYR going to struggling this summer for sure.

J2 from April paying £75k to FO. SFO £85k. Captain £130k. All basic salaries.

BA £65k basic before adding £15-£20k extras.

TUI pay is pretty good from what I hear.

DHL I think is £70k basic at least.


RYR contract is laughable.
JFO £39k. FO £50k basic.
Upgrade Captain 1st year £91500 2nd £98250 3rd £105k
Yeah RYR add extras on blah blah. Even add the pension on so they will tell you based on 800hrs blah blah. Yeah ok.
They got to have to open the wallet to slow everyone leaving.

Been with Ryanair for 20 years and the roster is very stable with very little out of base, very little messing about and get left alone most of the time, Min fuel where possible and if I need or see a requirement to have extra fuel I do so, ie if coming into the STN with winter storms I'd be landing with 5 tons or more to cover go rounds diversions etc and so long as you make a note why I've never been asked to explain in person. Take home is about £4600 after making £4900 in AVC pension payments.

£4,600 net after 20 years???????

Yes if you read the post, Thats after paying £4900 in AVC's which is not a bad take home pay

I doubt it at the present time, There are plenty of people leaving for the far east but how many ? nobody knows except the UK Flight ops Managers. For info I'm still getting two or three standbys a week and not getting called out, so not understaffed here at STN..

Not that good when at BA even as FO after 20 years you would be on more.

Jet2 and TUI are no doubt the leaders in the UK in terms of basic salary and overall conditions but to say the Ryanair contract is laughable when a FO will make 70K and a skipper £135K+ is scandalous. Can’t speak much for TUI but Jet2 certainly has its negatives, especially as an FO!!!! You talk about ‘extras on blah blah’ - yes an important factor - flight pay that succeeds either the aforementioned airlines, so don’t talk about it like it’s not an important factor in what you earn. The figures I’ve stated are based on 800hrs. Ryr is an airline were you will do 800+ comfortably.

BA euroflyer you will earn 65k as fo. This INCLUDES flight pay, now this is a contract that is laughable.

Ryr you will earn good money, they may not be the leader in terms of basic and conditions but it is without doubt - the most secure job out there. The 5/4 and basing network is the top trump card. It also overs unrivalled opportunities in terms of progression to training, management and office based roles or even jobs in Seattle should you desire. Moneys there to be made should you go down some of these avenues.

People have done the maths on various threads here, you earn more long term at ryr than you do going to the likes of BA.

There’s pay rises at ryr agreed for 24’ and 25’ and I can’t see this being accelerated. They have quite a few guys leaving, especially for the Middle East but they also aren’t short in people applying.

Here we are. Same here. As FO I didn’t get any of the leave I wanted. Not many did from those I have spoken to.
Every company has its negatives. BA when you’re junior it’s a bit crap. Probably working every weekend. 5 years in on SH from my previous colleagues they are getting more of the days they want off. Jumping to LHS yes you go to bottom of seniority but everyone joining BA knows this.

So you say BA Euro is poor. They need to up it for sure. Not by much. I compared my roster to my mates at LGW. Yes I had more days off but he hasn’t done any 4 sectors out of LGW. 2 sector days no more than about 10hrs duty time was his max. That was a “long” day.
Easy to swap days plus on master seniority plus staff travel, private medical, uniform, etc.

Heres RYR:
Captain Basic £105,000 1st upgrade £91,500

2nd £98,250

Allowance £6,000

Annual Leave £2,897

Sector Pay £14,714

Pension £8000

Total Annual Pay (850hrs) £136,611 after 3rd year



Schedule Block Hour Rate (SBH)£17.31



FO After 1500hrs

Basic £50,000

Allowance £5,500

Annual Leave £2,897

Sector Pay £8,662

Pension £3,000

Total Annual Pay (850hrs) £70,058



Schedule Block Hour Rate (SBH)£10.19

RYR Allowances: Loss of Licence, Health Insurance, Sim Allowance, Car Parking, Medical, Uniform/ID, Water, Phone.

So if you going to compare like for like.

Take allowances and pension off RYR as they are not included in BA.

BA LHR FO £65k basic without extras. Extras £15k say. Will be more than that.
A very close mate of mine hasn’t been below £4200 in his pocket since he started last year. £3k pay rise every year guaranteed. Negotiations on top of that. So……..
£125k basic as FO after 20 years. Plus around £15k. £140k as FO.

Plus you would have a lot of say over your roster.
Plus staff travel world wide.
ect etc.

Unless it's changed that's not quite how it works.

If you move seats you take your company seniority with you and slot into the new list i a w your number.

So it is (or was) possible to avoid going to the bottom by delaying a command but it's a tactic that carried risks.

​​​​​​​Open to correction..

Well Ryanair offer excellent training and plenty of hours ….these assets are portable ;)

Yes sorry that’s what I was told. Should have been clearer. I was thinking more going for quick command. Like you said it’s possible to delay it.

In my own bed every night with my own wife and spending my spare time in my workshop and where I want to be, 40 years in BA would never pay me enough to swap companys.20 years ago applied to Virgin got accepted and turned it down , best decision I ever made ,money motivated not at all, just life.

whilst others I have
One day you might wake up and realise time wasted you can never get back, I've watched my kids grow up, never missed their birthdays or Christmas no money in the world can replace that, but I'm older than you i guess,

This guy hits the nail. Yeah, BA FO in year 20 earns same as a RYR skipper, but it takes them 15 more years to get to that pay, while the RYR has hit it 5 years after starting. By the time the BA FO is going for the upgrade, the RYR is way ahead financially (and possibly in life AND professionally). Living out of a suitcase is not for everyone, likewise having management breathing in your neck. Intimiation works until a certain extent and some people are better than others ignoring the noise.

Horses for courses.

You would be having that at BA. I know a few who joined BA around 5 years ago. As FOs they have better say over their roster. Been offered command but most of them said no.
Maybe 1 trip away a month. Hardly a way a lot. If you want the day trips you can bid for them. SH no late flying due to restrictions at LHR. Last summer I lost count of how many times I landed past 1am. 4 days off, the first day I was ruined. Days on in summer I barely see the family. Kids birthdays easy. Swap to
have it off. With RYR I get maybe 50% of swaps. If that. Mrs bday missed it. Kids same. Xmas I had Xmas day off. Finished late on Xmas Eve then had Boxing Day “late” starting at 9am. Hhmmmmm
Yes LH obviously going to be away more. Don’t bid for it. Simples.

You can go for command earlier at BA. It was just an example. RYR quite £136k. Take £14k off of that for pensions and allowance (technically should be more as you pay tax before paying. Eg medical cost say £150, you pay that after you paid tax so it’s costing you nearly £300 from your salary.) You’re down to £122k already. Not sure what BA LHR Captain is. I think 15% more than what ever FO pay point is.
Euroflyer we know they say is £105k. Add pension you’re at £115k at least. Don’t forget first 2 years upgrade at RYR is less. What would 20 year pay be at Euroflyer?

And yes Euroflyer are home every night. Staff travel, private medical, no paying to park, for your pass, to eat, get coffee etc etc etc. Go to work hungry and you will get fed.

Honestly I was the same and all for RYR and quick command. When you starting going into all the figures BA wins. I went through it with my mate. Pension is 15% at BA. All the extras.
Take Manchester for example. Car parking is something like £800 a year!!! You pay that after tax so really it’s around £1400 off your take home.
Just an example. Add everything up in detail plus the options SH/LH part time if you want etc etc.

Like I said, money is not everything and BA definitely doesn't tick all the boxes. Your maths don't make any sense, and also Stansted carpark costs £0 as an example. So it really depends on personal circumstances, and what you want now and in the future. BA might be a good outfit for you while RYR/J2/TUI might be better outfits for others.

I hope the avc is per month too

I don’t understand this FR argument of “in bed every night”

with a 4/5am alarm set 5 days in a row? Or getting into that bed near midnight?

Ryanair pilots think every other airline spends 28 days away in a hotel?

Long haul I was away 2-3 nights max and then about 5-8 days off afterwards. It was approximately 15-20 days off a month depending on the roster. You might need 24 hours to get back to feeling 100% but I surely would need the same after 5 days of repeat earlies/lates and multiple sector days. Short haul ops was great, hardly any nights away and those nights you did spend away included no time zone changes. Enough time for a decent meal and a drink in the evening and a stroll around in the morning.

Horses for courses and what suits you, but I simply don’t buy into this “5/4 in bed every night” as though it’s the holy grail of Aviation.

And the months you’re not making a disgustingly high AVC contribution?…

That's paid every month on the same date. no reason to not pay it.

Sure.
Please state the airline/s offering such lifestyle, I'll apply ASAP.

For a UK-based line captain, you're looking at roughly £6500 net/mo with maximum matched pension contribution. Varies +/- £500 with hours flown.

Flagship airline in Hong Kong.

Oh, ok...thanks, but no thanks.
If that's your experience it seems you were really lucky. Why did you left?

Having spent my time there, whilst i'm far happier where I am now. Even after 5 days of 4am alarms, I always felt it was worth it to get 4 days off in a row. I cannot state how good knowing you have 4 sequential days off in a row ad infinutum is. (Almost 5 when you transition from early to lates. A 3/4 day mini break possible every single week - and you can plan it months in advance due to the fixed pattern roster. No other airline in Europe offers this.

As I say, I'm happier where I am but I can understand those that won't leave simply due to 5/4.

Either that’s the annual AVC, which makes the net similar to a year 5 FO at somewhere like BA, or you’re due a pretty enormous annual allowance bill from HMRC :ooh:

That makes more sense and sounds (much!) better.

It was pre bat flu roster while the Dragon was still flying most of the China and short haul routes. With the Jeppesen rostering system, lots of integrated pattern like China shuttle 3-2-3 or KUL 1-2-2-1 will come to you on 15th every month.

I personally find it easier to operate 4 sectors in Europe than a turn around in China.

Is that as an F/O?