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TS34 24th Mar 2022 23:58

Transfer UK ATPL to EASA
 
So what is the best way around this now?

If I wanted to convert my UK issued ATPL to an EASA state what is the best route in terms of ease, cost?

I've looked online but it seems to be a complicated matter and I'm sure some of you guys must have gone through this recently (i.e. after the UK withdrew from EASA).

Journey Man 4th Apr 2022 18:39

TS34 - did you find out the process? Your PMs are full as tried to send you detailed step by step of the fastest route.

TS34 5th Apr 2022 11:53


Originally Posted by Journey Man (Post 11210530)
TS34 - did you find out the process? Your PMs are full as tried to send you detailed step by step of the fastest route.

Hi Journey

Apologies for that. Still no clearer! Should be able to send PMs now, however.

Cheers

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Journey Man 5th Apr 2022 17:28

D.F. - got your message, can't reply as your inbox full also. Send me your email or clear some messages and I'll get the info across to you.

Journey Man 5th Apr 2022 17:41


Originally Posted by TS34 (Post 11210830)
Hi Journey

Apologies for that. Still no clearer! Should be able to send PMs now, however.

Cheers

it sent now

andymiff 21st Apr 2022 11:22

I’d also appreciate the route anyone has taken with this. Feel free to pm me.
Cheers

joryblg 21st Apr 2022 20:01

Any updates on the situation. Journey man can you also send some details over to me.
I hold CPL/IR issued by UK while still EASA member. I checked with Croatia, Malta and Norway and they all say i need to re-take all 14 exams (because I did them more than 36months ago)with EU ATO and then a skills test as well.

rudestuff 22nd Apr 2022 05:14


Originally Posted by joryblg (Post 11219047)
Any updates on the situation. Journey man can you also send some details over to me.
I hold CPL/IR issued by UK while still EASA member. I checked with Croatia, Malta and Norway and they all say i need to re-take all 14 exams (because I did them more than 36months ago)with EU ATO and then a skills test as well.

The exams are still valid for an ATPL but expired for PPL/CPL/IR purposes. Your options are (a) get a UK ATPL or (b) retake the exams again.
Or I guess (c) wait and see if the rules change.

alper os 22nd Apr 2022 07:34


Originally Posted by Aviationtrader (Post 11076617)
To anyone who has commenced this process with any inclination of a positive outcome.

What is the process, I current have a 'frozen' ATPL with valid UK medical, SEP, MEP, MEIR in addition to FT 90% ATPL theory passes sat in 2019, AUPRT and MCCJOC (All issued by the UK/CAA)

I spoke to the CAA on 07.07.2021 and was advised to try and "verify" my licence by an EASA authority which may give me the same privileges as someone holding an EASA licence? I contacted IAA, Austro, ENAC (Italy). Two of whom seemed clueless about the concept and still awaiting a response from the Italians.

I understand converting/validating won't help with the lack of right to work in the EU but that isn't the concern right now. If someone could offer advice/guidance as to how I can commence the process and which NAA to contact it would be great.

Any constructive advice would be greatly appreciated.

Hi,
I am also in the middle of a conversion process (I hold a Turkish CPL and need to have EASA ATPL soon). Try easy-pilot.com . They are pretty familiar with any kind of conversions, I think they will have an answer for you. Good luck!

joryblg 22nd Apr 2022 08:07

Thanks Rudestuff. That's the conclusion i have come to as well. Unfortunately I don't have the hours for ATPL yet.

rudestuff 22nd Apr 2022 08:43

Why do so many people want to convert from UK to EASA? There was a transparent conversion process which has now ended, which means surely everyone should have the licence they need?

I suspect that if and when Brits get the right to live and work in the EU it will go hand in hand with a simple conversion process.

joryblg 22nd Apr 2022 10:29


Originally Posted by rudestuff (Post 11219281)
Why do so many people want to convert from UK to EASA? There was a transparent conversion process which has now ended, which means surely everyone should have the licence they need?

I suspect that if and when Brits get the right to live and work in the EU it will go hand in hand with a simple conversion process.

I can not talk for everyone but in my case - I was flying for UK airline with a UK license - happy days. I now lost my job and everywhere i look they want EASA license.

Kennytheking 22nd Apr 2022 11:02


Originally Posted by rudestuff (Post 11219281)
Why do so many people want to convert from UK to EASA? There was a transparent conversion process which has now ended, which means surely everyone should have the licence they need?

I suspect that if and when Brits get the right to live and work in the EU it will go hand in hand with a simple conversion process.

The license has nothing to do with the right to live and work in the EU. Many operators require the right to live and work in the UK but require EASA licenses for reasons such as AOC of convenience. I have even seen a position in Dubai that requires an EASA license.

I wrote my UK exams middle of last year so the fact that there was a transparent process that has ended now does not help. Given that the exams are almost exactly the same, it would be nice if there was a simple process to convert to EASA, without having to write the same exams again.

rudestuff 23rd Apr 2022 08:26


Originally Posted by Kennytheking (Post 11219371)
I wrote my UK exams middle of last year so the fact that there was a transparent process that has ended now does not help. Given that the exams are almost exactly the same, it would be nice if there was a simple process to convert to EASA, without having to write the same exams again.

Anyone taking their exams after the transfer cut off date would have had the option to study once and take both sets of exams - taking the same exam twice shouldn't be a big deal for someone who's studied. However, given the politics of the situation having both licences is a luxury, not the necessity people seem to think it is. Where are all the threads asking "I'm not allowed to work in Australia, but I really think I need a CASA licence"...?

Journey Man 14th May 2022 19:48

Hi joryblg, I hope you've found a solution for this now. I didn't come across this and used exams sat a under JAR, so more than 36 months ago. If you haven't found a solution, talk to the authority you are seeking to use directly.

haihio 14th Jul 2022 09:23

Has anyone tried talking/emailing Balpa?


Low average 14th Jul 2022 15:08

Could somebody clear this up for me? I earned my EASA licence in the UK 6 years ago. It was valid for a lifetime.

When the UK brexited - legally speaking - did EASA revoke my licence? For what reason? I still have it, I earned it 6 years ago. There are no issues with holding 2x ICAO compliant licences at the same time.

Right now, the CAA are still allowing new EASA holders to obtain UK licences and take jobs in the UK. See the CAA Brexit microsite.

Are my conclusions correct? Thanks.

deltahotel 15th Jul 2022 12:54

Your UK issued (I assume uk issued) EASA part FCL licence is now a UK part FCL licence (non EASA).

Contact Approach 15th Jul 2022 12:56


Originally Posted by Low average (Post 11261627)
Could somebody clear this up for me? I earned my EASA licence in the UK 6 years ago. It was valid for a lifetime.

When the UK brexited - legally speaking - did EASA revoke my licence? For what reason? I still have it, I earned it 6 years ago. There are no issues with holding 2x ICAO compliant licences at the same time.

Right now, the CAA are still allowing new EASA holders to obtain UK licences and take jobs in the UK. See the CAA Brexit microsite.

Are my conclusions correct? Thanks.

Your conclusions are indeed correct.

Low average 15th Jul 2022 18:05


Originally Posted by deltahotel (Post 11262145)
Your UK issued (I assume uk issued) EASA part FCL licence is now a UK part FCL licence (non EASA).

Thank you deltahotel. I would suggest that it is now termed a "UK part FCL" by the CAA, which is fine I suppose - they can call it whatever they like! The reality is though, that it was earned under EASA as a lifetime licence, and in order to now not be recognised by EASA, it would have had to be specifically and legally revoked by EASA.


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