If this committee has no power, what is it’s purpose?

The airline specific forums were set up to allow internal informed debate by those verified to be employees. I was surprised that BA does not have one on PPRuNe, indeed three of the nine that I can see are for defunct airlines like Monarch. My constructive suggestion is that for those of you who don't want the rest of us butting in on what is clearly a very important debate you go about setting one up.

My view from the sidelines is that BA is likely to be a winner in the current situation. That does not mean that employment levels will remain as they are. It seems improbable that there is not going to be a serious reduction in flying over the next couple of years. The ideal from the airline's point of view is to solve its resource planning problem in a fair and agreed manner, keeping maximum flexibility for the upturn when it comes. One solution is to encourage those close to retirement particularly on fleets like the 747 to take early retirement. The pension cap/tax actually helps this because the incentive to carry on is reduced. Encouraging as many others to job share, work part time etc. is another obvious thing to do.

Wait and see
 

Expropriation is the power.
Post Covid 19 priority will be given to people (e.g. saving jobs and T&Cs'), the environment and public funds (future profits shared with Gov).

Aviation is not the only sector that will need to be nationalised. In several other countries this is already happening.
It has got nothing to do with socialism. This is pure survival of economies & societies during the biggest crisis in modern times.

When has management done anything "obvious"?

Read today some CSDs earn £80k(with allowances, box payments etc) (am sure these are outliers) but is that sustainable in the good tones never mind now. A senior ICU nurse might earn £40k !

Last week it was 30 years ago that I joined BA and for my entire career with them we had all the same issues with the management trying to reign in all these legacy contracts. I'm pretty surprised that they still have not got this basic issue sorted out.

Looks like things might be picking up sooner than expected?
https://www.businesstraveller.com/bu...eekly-flights/

Just demonstrates BA’s land-grab opportunism.

There was for many years. There is a BALPA BA forum elsewhere on the internet which is in regular use.

Walnut
 

This thread has been suggesting Veuling May be in line to be parachuted into Lgw. Is this likely as most of its workforce would be ineligible to work in the the U.K. when Brexit is finalised in December
So there will be no free movement of people and interestingly also Capital. The current split of assets in IAG according to WW. 66% BA, so with the share price at around 165p that means the U.K. government could take a stake at 100p a share.
WW stated one of the reasons he wanted restructuring is to allow him to compete with state funded EU carriers,eg Lufthansa and Air France. So as the U.K. must have a national carrier (even a combined Virgin EasyJet option would not have the reach) it seems a Government stake should be considered
After all already the Government has taken controlling stakes in the rail network the bus network and recently in TFL to ensure these essential transport links remain
i suggest that the H of C Select Committee ask this question of the government minister when she appears before them next Wednesday 20/3/20

One of the reasons these carriers get support (whether financial, political or whatever) is that they have structured their whole relationship with their governments, and indeed their wider target customer base, to be perceived as a national asset, despite private ownership.

BA have gone the other way, HQ is in Madrid (with a little regional but powerless admin office in Waterside), top execs openly don't give a hoot for the UK government. Now push has suddenly and unexpectedly come to shove and the playing field has changed. But the attitude hasn't.

https://www.independent.co.uk/indepe...-a9520131.html

First major press support. Get on the comments section everyone. Shame it's not in more, and print.

Unable to read, pay wall.

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You can register and read it for free.
Otherwise read all my previous messages under this topic. More or less the same concept.

I genuinely believe this is not Willie Walsh vs BA pilots, actually I should say the entire BA workforce. This is much much bigger, it is about the future of working conditions in the UK.
Do we want to end up like the USA or like Germany/Switzerland/Denmark/Sweden?
This is the question we need to ask ourselves.

Our kids deserve better than this toxic management style. Greed alone is leading us to an awful type of over-polarised society.

“Major press support”? Sure it’s very critical of BA but main point is that airlines should be taxed more heavily (Indy counts lack of VAT on fuel as a subsidy) and that airlines should be taken into state ownership. Hmmm. Can anyone name a state-run airline that’s NOT a cash-haemorrhaging basket-case, even in good times, which these definitely aren’t?

Is there a case in these unprecedented times,crews out of practice,distractions etc for all Long Haul two person crew to be mandated to three person crew for a period of time.
Whatever happened to PIA yesterday,a contributing factor will have been Covid.
BALPA need to raise this as an issue for all UK Long Haul carriers.
If any carrier were to have an ‘Incident’ it could be terminal for them.
Stay Safe,Keep Alert.

Why would airlines increase their costs when they are currently faced with an unprecedented loss of income?

What is that assumption based on?

I am sure that will help.

The current situation will be terminal for many of them without needing an 'incident' (sic).

EK springs to mind.

AF is currently augmenting all long haul flight deck crews by one additional crew member, for safety reasons.

When has AF (or EK) ever been run as a proper commercial business ?

I think it makes a lot of sense to have at least three crew on flights at the moment. The airlines are currently over-crewed so it costs next to nothing, and the risk of incapacitation is higher with the virus knocking about. Also crews are less current, and have the anxiety of possible redundancy or catching the virus at work eroding their capacity. Why would you not utilise your spare crew to protect the safety of your customers at this time?