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ATC Watcher 29th Apr 2020 14:28


Originally Posted by CaptainProp (Post 10767215)
“FOSTER CITY, Calif.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Apr. 29, 2020-- Gilead Sciences, Inc. (Nasdaq: GILD) today announced topline results from the open-label, Phase 3 SIMPLE trial evaluating 5-day and 10-day dosing durations of the investigational antiviral remdesivir in hospitalized patients with severe manifestations of COVID-19 disease.”
The study demonstrates the potential for some patients to be treated with a 5-day regimen, which could significantly expand the number of patients who could be treated with our current supply of remdesivir. This is particularly important in the setting of a pandemic, to help hospitals and healthcare workers treat more patients in urgent need of care.”
https://www.gilead.com/news-and-pres...evere-covid-19
CP

this is more a PR statement than a real breakthrough , reading further in the same PR :

Remdesivir is not yet licensed or approved anywhere globally and has not yet been demonstrated to be safe or effective for the treatment of COVID-19. This study sought to determine whether a shorter, 5-day course of remdesivir would achieve similar efficacy results as the 10-day treatment regimen used in multiple ongoing studies of remdesivir.

dingy737 29th Apr 2020 14:38

Trains buses and cars are operating now. This is about opening borders and getting international air travel started. Which of the 7 options is realistic?

CaptainProp 29th Apr 2020 15:06


Originally Posted by ATC Watcher (Post 10767304)
this is more a PR statement than a real breakthrough , reading further in the same PR :


PR?? Of course it’s not approved(!), it’s initial results from a phase 3 trial. Did you even read the entire release?

Gilead plans to submit the full data for publication in a peer-reviewed journal in the coming weeks.”

CP

ATC Watcher 29th Apr 2020 16:40

PR = Press Release . and reading the contents it is just that.

dohouch 29th Apr 2020 18:52

Spanish Gov. see external borders closed until October (in Spanish)

Put the Sangria on ice, >>> for 5 months.:\ It's a long relaxing holiday but only for the Bongs-Bongs & ze 'Busses . I think Spain get 60 Million tourists a year, or used to.

kiwi grey 30th Apr 2020 02:05


Originally Posted by dingy737 (Post 10766674)
Mandatory quarantine of 14 days at authorized centers for all incoming passenge


Originally Posted by Joe le Taxi (Post 10766803)
quite the opposite - Again - do this and the airlines and airports will remain almost completely inactive. It makes holiday travel and business travel impractical ... leaving what?

Short-term cheap package holiday travel: indeed gone
Business conferences and the like: as above, dead as the dodo
Long-term holiday travel - say 3 months plus: still viable, these folks will travel Business or Premium Economy if they're feeling cheap
Secondary school and tertiary study: no going 'home' in the short holiday breaks, otherwise still as doable as now
Trans-border moving house for a job change: just a longer gap between posts, very little change really

I'd guess that will leave about 25% to 30% of the 2019 travel still in the market and would be doom for the majority of LCCs and make life every difficult for airport companies / authorities, ATC providers and for Airbus & Boeing

Just my $0.02

White Knight 30th Apr 2020 11:13


Originally Posted by dohouch
Spanish Gov. see external borders closed until October (in Spanish)

Put the Sangria on ice, >>> for 5 months.https://www.pprune.org/images/smilies/wibble.gif It's a long relaxing holiday but only for the Bongs-Bongs & ze 'Busses . I think Spain get 60 Million tourists a year, or used to.

That'll get the regions fired up! Andalucia is already wanting to start firing up the tourist industry! They risk a massive level of unemployment down there!

Besides, my primary residence is in Spain so would like to get back there sometime soon from Dubai! Could be a while...

DaveReidUK 30th Apr 2020 12:19

The Sicilian regional government is offering to subsidise tourists who book holidays on the island before the end of the year, to the tune of half of their flight cost and one third of their hotel bill.

advent 30th Apr 2020 12:51


Originally Posted by White Knight (Post 10768221)
That'll get the regions fired up! Andalucia is already wanting to start firing up the tourist industry! They risk a massive level of unemployment down there!

Besides, my primary residence is in Spain so would like to get back there sometime soon from Dubai! Could be a while...


My primary residence is also Spain.. It’s why I hold Spanish residency, pay my tax and social here and am a member of SEPLA.. Yep, I’m English, work and fly across many borders and have fully taken on board all the logistics and indeed politics to actually call this not only my ‘primary residence’, but also my home.

Sorry, that all sounds a bit arrogant for sure.. Difficult times I know, apologies..

I truly feel that somewhere down the path of aviation (pilot role) we have lost control of the most simple terms of engagement.

Be safe all of you and understand that these setbacks in what we as pilots would call our ‘career’ has happened quite a few times before. Of course it will return, in the meantime find yourself something very constructive for you and if you have, family.. For truly. That’s what is really important right now. Ensure you love and are loved somewhere. Yes, I could write now until the ducks come home, but I will not.

Be safe, find something to entertain your emotions and desires so you can return full of strength when the time arrives.

Ad.. I’m Elomium :)

scr1 30th Apr 2020 14:30

Have people seen this

https://petition.parliament.uk/petit...JNFG8lAroPI0Kc

Might not do much good but we can only try

Superpilot 30th Apr 2020 14:52

55k already. That's good going relatively speaking.

squidie 30th Apr 2020 17:16


Originally Posted by scr1 (Post 10768432)
Have people seen this

https://petition.parliament.uk/petit...JNFG8lAroPI0Kc

Might not do much good but we can only try

The government know what’s going on. Why people think a website with a few ticks is going to lead them down any different path.

BEA 71 30th Apr 2020 17:30


Originally Posted by DaveReidUK (Post 10768287)
The Sicilian regional government is offering to subsidise tourists who book holidays on the island before the end of the year, to the tune of half of their flight cost and one third of their hotel bill.

I am sure Turkey will start the most offensive campaign very soon, undercutting anybody else. They are very agressive when it comes to bumping out competitors.

LTNman 30th Apr 2020 19:24


Originally Posted by BEA 71 (Post 10768602)
I am sure Turkey will start the most offensive campaign very soon, undercutting anybody else. They are very agressive when it comes to bumping out competitors.

Then return home to a 14 day quarantine which is on the cards.

CaptainProp 30th Apr 2020 19:35


Originally Posted by ATC Watcher (Post 10767442)
PR = Press Release . and reading the contents it is just that.

Press release yes, but this is not just some release to keep up interest in media. Like I said, it’s first results from a phase 3 trial and head of FDA commented:

“The Food and Drug Administration is moving at “lightning speed” to review data on Gilead Sciences Inc.’s experimental Covid-19 treatment remdesivir, Commissioner Stephen Hahn said, after encouraging results emerged from a key U.S. trial.“

Let’s wait for full data to be released and reviewed.

CP

Pistonprop 30th Apr 2020 20:29

I'm still of the opinion that the older generation, who make up a significant number of bums on seats, will not be in too much of a hurry to board a flight anywhere, discounts or not! A rush to kick things off prematurely will discourage them even more.

cashash 30th Apr 2020 20:50


Originally Posted by Pistonprop (Post 10768747)
I'm still of the opinion that the older generation, who make up a significant number of bums on seats, will not be in too much of a hurry to board a flight anywhere, discounts or not! A rush to kick things off prematurely will discourage them even more.

I think a bigger problem will be travel insurance - if Businesses and individuals cannot get cover for Covid19 for foreign travel then demand is going to be very muted.

dohouch 30th Apr 2020 23:31


Originally Posted by kiwi grey (Post 10767830)
Short-term cheap package holiday travel: indeed gone
Business conferences and the like: as above, dead as the dodo
Long-term holiday travel - say 3 months plus: still viable, these folks will travel Business or Premium Economy if they're feeling cheap
Secondary school and tertiary study: no going 'home' in the short holiday breaks, otherwise still as doable as now
Trans-border moving house for a job change: just a longer gap between posts, very little change really

I'd guess that will leave about 25% to 30% of the 2019 travel still in the market and would be doom for the majority of LCCs and make life every difficult for airport companies / authorities, ATC providers and for Airbus & Boeing

Just my $0.02

I think this 25-30% is optimistic >:rolleyes:.
Maybe there is data as to who sits on planes, Worldwide daily passengers, % of trips that are one-way, duration of return trips etc?:*
Big guess approaching now>>>>----- 90% of trips are return flights of less than 2 weeks.

Maybe somebody can point us all in the direction of good solid numbers on who was using all those seats pre-Covid

HZ123 1st May 2020 02:22

Such information does not give us much guidance on future trending? Even with figures surely for the immediate future into 2021 individuals and companies will have a totally different outlook on using air travel. From past experience we know that many Americans will not risk travel until such times as we are virus free. The mature (financially able) traveler will be hesitant and may not get suitable insurance, which leaves the LOCO masses that have embraced cheap air travel, many of whom latterly have graduated / upgraded to major established airlines. I fear that they will not be able to afford the air travel lifestyle for a number of years. To many people will lose their jobs and employers will pay less. As someone has already commented this year is a right of, let's hope that at least 25-30% figure is feasible.

ZFT 1st May 2020 03:28

Maybe there's too much concern over travel insurance? The insurance industry just like aviation will want to do business, and will adapt to whatever the new model is.



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