Wow... he/she must be pretty Sss...enior

I believe delta got circa 33% last year on their basic. Yes, that’s 33 with no decimal points between the 3s 😮

The expectation of pay 'award' bemuses me, not only in the term itself (an award for what?), but the expectation that an employer is somehow duty-bound to pay more for nothing in return. No they are not.

Doubters of this hard-nosed view might like to heed the demise of 3,000 jobs at Toys R Us and 2,500 jobs at Maplin due to work practices and technological innovation at Amazon and othr Gig economy operators, as a marker to future pilot job security - irrespective of the swingometer suggesting an uptick in demand.

As airlines stand to make huge savings from artificial intelligence and autonomous aircraft, pilots should make themselves as cheap as possible if they are to justify their existence in 10 to 15 years from now, look ahead a bit and drop altogether ideas their 'value' to employers. Regretfully, the job is already beyond its sell-by-date and justification making any pay 'award' is unwarranted; a pay decrease, maybe.

If aircraft are to be autonomous in 10-15 years time it doesn't matter how 'cheap' they are, they'll still be obsolete.

No idea from which level the pay comes though, but a hefty rise percentage wise at least:


Spirit pilots ratify long-term contract, ending 3-year labor struggle | Labor content from ATWOnline

So, pilotless, you'll save us all by putting yourself forward for the CC at your respective airline with that tag line. I wonder how many will tell you you're insane?
If we are redundant in 10-15 years (bull****) might as well milk 'em while we can!

Serious note, I understand SAS Ireland based at LHR (contractors) are getting a pay increase quite soon. Again, don't know specifics.

"an average 43% pay increase effective on the date of signing" :D

You get pay award/increases whatever you want to call them for two reasons.
1. To allow for inflation, otherwise you are taking a cut every year.
2. To share in the good times, so not only the board of directors fill their pockets.
and...... To make up for the times when the same b.o.d's have come to you and asked you to take a pay cut because times are hard.

Get real! We aren't shelf stackers and checkout staff at Maplins ToysRus. Who probably wouldn't be losing their jobs if the overpaid BoD's had done their jobs properly.

Spirit Airlines (US ULCC)
 

Finally signed new contract after 3 years. Rates went up 50%. We are still about 30% behind same equipment rates at the US Legacy carriers.
Average pre-tax/year 2nd year FO $110.000, 5 year PIC $210.000. Additional 11-15 % added by company to pension fund.

Just to clear up any confusion, pilotless is either a former BA legacy cabin crew employee who was shown the door for being a prat, and hates pilots, or a current legacy cabin crew member who is a prat, and hates pilots.

Offer up a silent prayer for this individual - imagine being that bitter and twisted you spend time spewing bile on a forum for people you hate instead of getting on with your life.

I hope they find peace.

Interesting to keep this thread on top as there are quite a few T&C's to be renegotiated this year. It's possibly the best year for negotiations in over a decade.