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underfire 15th Aug 2017 15:13

Easyjet pilot issues
 
French pilots are claiming easyJet is risking passenger and crew safety by scheduling too many flights.

Captains are being pressed into flying more hours than they are legally allowed and face intimidation if they refuse, the pilots’ union says.

In an open letter to the company’s main shareholder, Stelios Haji-Ioannou, the union says the flight schedule is “unrealistic” and has sparked numerous delays and last-minute cancellations.

“A red line has been crossed and we are very shocked,” Arnaud Wiplier, president of the easyJet section of the Syndicat National des Pilotes de Ligne (SNPL), said. “The airline has eyes bigger than its stomach; the schedules are not possible.”

https://www.theguardian.com/business...-french-pilots

testpanel 15th Aug 2017 16:29


French pilots are claiming.....
sure...:mad:

A320ECAM 15th Aug 2017 16:35

What's the difference between easyJet and Air France?

Flight 447. Enough said.

tubby linton 15th Aug 2017 16:38

The European Transport Workers Federation, which in aviation mainly covers cabin crew , were very much in favour of EASA FTL, despite the pilot groups , especially Balpa and UK research on fatigue ,being against it. Are we beginning to see a wholesale rejection of them and the fly until you drop business model across Easa land? I certainly hope so.

fab777 15th Aug 2017 23:03

According to the union, there are been threats (verbally, by phone) from the management, to force captains into going into discretion.

This is now all over the french news, so I wonder: did the management gain more by bullying crews and saving a few flights from cancellation, than they lost in PR and damage to the brand?

Superpilot 16th Aug 2017 07:13


What's the difference between easyJet and Air France?

Flight 447. Enough said.
What are you saying here. That easyJet should continue this slave labour like abuse because they've not had an accident yet and are therefore the safer operation?

EasyJet do not do red eye trips, they do not have 3 man operations crossing ITCZs in LH aircraft with the most senior pilot being allowed to rest for up to 4 hours. This is a totally different kind of flying and the EasyJet machine would break at the first sight of having to afford crew a decent schedule involving night stops.

To make a career sustainable at EasyJet pilots are turning to 50%. "Nuff said"

Company Message 16th Aug 2017 07:44

Especially when a base captain has sent an email to two flight deck who refused to operate into a day off of being "unprofessional" and were "expected" to.

I understand the matter has been sent to the relevant Union.

EDDT 16th Aug 2017 09:14


Originally Posted by A320ECAM (Post 9862779)
What's the difference between easyJet and Air France?

Good question.
AF pilots work half and make double. That's it.

kimono1950 16th Aug 2017 09:18


Originally Posted by testpanel (Post 9862769)
sure...:mad:

It is because of morons like you, the pseudo managers all over are doing what ever they want !:mad:

I know in Uk, you , guys , are used to bend over, but hopefully not in France.:hmm:

A320ECAM 16th Aug 2017 17:46


Originally Posted by Superpilot (Post 9863319)
What are you saying here. That easyJet should continue this slave labour like abuse because they've not had an accident yet and are therefore the safer operation?

EasyJet do not do red eye trips, they do not have 3 man operations crossing ITCZs in LH aircraft with the most senior pilot being allowed to rest for up to 4 hours. This is a totally different kind of flying and the EasyJet machine would break at the first sight of having to afford crew a decent schedule involving night stops.

To make a career sustainable at EasyJet pilots are turning to 50%. "Nuff said"

So what? Show me an easyJet pilot who has pulled back on the sidestick for nearly 4 minutes during a high altitude stall? Flight 447.

Show me an easyJet pilot who landed half way down the runway in wet and windy wxr conditions and took 12 seconds to apply reverse thrust? Flight 358.

In fact, AF have their very own page on Wikipedia for accidents and incidents. That's how many they have had! Most are due to pilot error.

easyJet don't even have an accidents and incidents section on Wikipedia.

Mr Angry from Purley 16th Aug 2017 18:16


Especially when a base captain has sent an email to two flight deck who refused to operate into a day off of being "unprofessional" and were "expected" to
Friend of mine TRE pretty well paid once said my next door neighbour goes out before me comes back after me, he's paid less and has the weight of trying to run his Company, find business and support his Staff - and he gets paid less than me.

That guy never had a problem using discretion occasionally or working into a day off with a smile.
So Company how many times has this happened to these Pilots?

Stan Woolley 16th Aug 2017 19:08


That guy never had a problem using discretion occasionally or working into a day off with a smile.
Once again Mr Angry, I ask you:

Have you ever operated a commercial flight? :ugh:

Wing_Bound_Vortex 16th Aug 2017 20:34

Mr Angry with clearly no concept of what reality is...

fab777 16th Aug 2017 21:15


Originally Posted by A320ECAM (Post 9863949)
So what? Show me an easyJet pilot who has pulled back on the sidestick for nearly 4 minutes during a high altitude stall? Flight 447.

Show me an easyJet pilot who landed half way down the runway in wet and windy wxr conditions and took 12 seconds to apply reverse thrust? Flight 358.

In fact, AF have their very own page on Wikipedia for accidents and incidents. That's how many they have had! Most are due to pilot error.

easyJet don't even have an accidents and incidents section on Wikipedia.

This one has been discussed, for instance:

https://www.aeroinside.com/item/5457/easyjet-a320-at-paphos-on-jan-7th-2015-alpha-floor-activation-on-approach

Luckily in normal law this time.

But this is off topic. Today's topic is EZY has hit the french news with:

A pilot on drugs,
Captains forced to fly overlimit.

Nil further 24th Aug 2017 17:25

As i understand it . There is a new policy in Easyjet . If you refuse discretion, you will get a phone call from the duty pilot manager to "help you with your decision making " that will be followed with a Non flying suspension and a trip to the Chief Pilots office .

Sad times for what was once a very sensible pilot employer

Chesty Morgan 24th Aug 2017 18:03

It's called Commander's discretion. End of meeting.

Mr Angry from Purley 24th Aug 2017 18:04


No Base Captain would say that in writing, would he / she?

It would be forwarded to the respective union / CAA and they would have to both explain and retract the comments.
How is not exceeding a legal limit, placed there for safety purposes, in any way "unprofessional"??
F+B Depends what the Easyjet discretion policy says in the FTL scheme. Under EASA there now has to be more "guidance" assume your aware of this.

box 24th Aug 2017 18:23


Originally Posted by Nil further (Post 9871791)
As i understand it . There is a new policy in Easyjet . If you refuse discretion, you will get a phone call from the duty pilot manager to "help you with your decision making " that will be followed with a Non flying suspension and a trip to the Chief Pilots office .

Sad times for what was once a very sensible pilot employer

That is complete nonsense. Never happened to me or others at my base.

Nil further 24th Aug 2017 18:45

Oh no it isn't , maybe you just don't know about it yet ...... i can assure you it is and worse .
Maybe career ending for some.

This is a new policy and the buck stops i am led to believe at the desk of the ex Wizzair Chief Pilot.

Anyway , how would you know what going on at your base with every individual unless you are the BC ?

Perhaps you should ask someone in BALPA cc , they may tell you something you didn't want to hear , sadly a once reasonable pragmatic approach has given way to something else .

Im told this was the method by which Wizzair pilot were encouraged to use discretion .

box 24th Aug 2017 18:50

Nil Further - do you work for Easyjet?


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