^^ Poster above unlikely from EasyJet, who don't use the words "flight deck" to describe their flight crew.

Yes they do, it's a fairly common term in easyjet (granted it's mostly the phrase that the cabin crew use for pilots)

Fursty Ferret, the poster to whom you refer was alluding to my post. I DO work for easyJet.

Olster is spot on. Your post suggests you've left. I found the same, and left. It is astonishing that the same BS is still being pedalled. One reason I left was because it was such BS. All that was before BALPA, and they should have opened the flight crews' eyes to the truth & reality. Of course, the whole Orange touchy feely thing was dreamt up by the office whallas, and it is in their interest to keep it alive; they prosper from it. All it is, is an abuse of the vocational workers i.e. the engineers & flight crew. Sad it has survived for so long. Like much BS in so many airlines it is frustrating that no-one, not enough, has stood up and screamed "the emperor has no clothes".

Over an interesting and varied career it is disappointing to reflect back and realise how many outfits I worked for where the repeated cry was, "it could be so great here if they just fixed A & B; and it would be so easy and for free." They didn't & I moved on to the same greener grass slowly turning brown. It's not just ez it's nearly the whole industry. They shall reap what they sowed.

Cheers Rat5 I concur completely!

RAT 5:Hear, hear, and ain't that the truth !

I do too. Well said Rat.

Hi Olster! :ok:

Of course RAT5 is correct in his assertions and I'd suggest that 99% of crew who still do the daily job of getting aircraft from A to b would agree without reservation.

However, given the huge potential power that we, the pilot workforce, could exert over airline management, what have 'we' done about ever-eroding terms and conditions and bonus-targeted managers who know the cost of everything and the value of nothing?

The answer, of course, is nothing because management have always either managed to 'divide and rule' or played the 'economic ruin' card while still managing to sustain their champagne lifestyle. Until such time as crew, and particularly in the UK, unite along the lines of a union like Vereinigung Cockpit, nothing is going to change.

Interesting that you mention VC in this thread, especially given the fact that Easyjet pilots in germany are not represented by VC but rather by the cabin crew and ground staff union ver.di instead. Which does not collaborate with ECA nor IFALPA or any other pilot union of course.

Greetings Stan - hope that you are well. Who could forget the (in)famous orange culture. You play ball with us and we stick the bat up your @rse. Two outstanding memories "you are lucky to be working for easyJet" having bizarelly left one of the uk's more famous airlines as a TRE and also the legendary "are you refusing this duty?" Oh, and I almost forgot " we are reporting you to management". The manager concerned was a friend and completely concurred with a decision to go home rather than sit all day @ snow bound Luton. Farce and high comedy abounded. The hilarious misuse of management speak - silos, synergies, etc.All absolute bollox of course and still going on! Large ones all round.

Yes, 'stroppy' guys like us heard that a fair bit once we'd realised how one sided the 'favours' were. :rolleyes:

It's no surprise but rather sad that it's still going on, almost twenty years later.

All the Best Olster.

The thing is that it is fellow pilots that have instigated the commercial pressure, within the airlines. Back in the day Chief pilots would have protected the crews not as now applying the pressure. They are not honourable men/women.

I have worked for a coupe of CP's who behaved as "Chief of the Pilots". OK, they had other financial & standards responsibilities, but at the crunch, when the CFO of MD tried to screw his boys he stood up and resisted. Might not always win, but he tried and perhaps softened whatever bulldozer & scalpel operation was being planned from on high. Huge respect was earned and rewarded when the extra mile was asked for. Outside of them i've experienced very little support of the pilots from CP's; generally the opposite. 'Feathering one's own nest' often comes to mind. I wish some them could still fly; but perhaps because they can't they restrict the rest of us from doing so.

The Ezy CP does still fly, albeit even after nigh on a year in the job(?) he retains his *** (an inexperience identifier, for those readers outside Ezyworld) so he doesn't need to go anywhere too complicated, nor fly with any of the newbie FOs....

Draw your own conclusions.

The French just like to whinge...

The French are very entitled to whinge when it comes to the ludicrous orange culture. In terms of cp currency I rest my case...toujors la meme chose as we cunny linguists would say. Apologies for arcane sens d' humour...

The French, the Italians, the Germans, 🙄