True, 4 years. So? In the years before that you're still on a good salary in Italy and also with a 5-4 roster. It is correct that the waiting list is long so if you really want to go to Italy you either delay your command or take command and commute or a combination of the two. Of course also depends on your private life whether thats based in Italy yes or no.

And not sure why you think 6000 is on the optimistic side. Basic pay for an SFO is 4900 net. Add all the daily allowances ( diaria ) and sectorpay to that and you'll easily make 6000. Maybe in some winter months it's slightly less but in the summer its over 6k. So on average: 6000 net per month. I know captains in other companies who fly for less.

Haha, if EZY's "work your ass off on regular 10/11 hour 4/5 sector days" is the best we can do in Europe, then we're in trouble.

What is the captain package at Aegeon then?

Hi,

I was offered 8000 net after swiss (huge question mark...?) taxes plus accommodation based in Athens or Cyprus from May until October.

And out of curiosity... what about WZZ?

Nah it's not like that anymore, a lot has been improved since last year. But I can imagine it's hard to accept that a low cost airline offers one of the best A320 packages in Europe.

They'll be doing 321LR runs to NYC, BOS etc in a couple of years if that's people's thing.

Not as bad as many people would think. If you are willing to stick around until 3-4000hrs command plus LTC in the company (5% incr. on both basic and sector for every 1000hr in command) your figures could be matching those of EZY. Otherwise as a new captain expect around 5000EUR after tax on a local contract or 6k+ as a service provider. If you are non type rated expect a deduction of around 400EUR per month for 3 years...

And what does any manager or white collar worker in any private company does ?
10, 11, 12 and sometimes even more hours, on a regular 5/2 roster.
Not 5/4, not 4/3, not 5/3, not even 4/2 : 5/2.

For a salary that will have much trouble to compete (especially at such a young age) and a job that will be boring like hell, at least for most people here.

So stop complaining, please. (if it is what your were doing)

I do however reckon the need to complain in order to not see these T&Cs worsen ! Just not here.

How many non French nationals are employed as pilots in Air France?

any numbers? what about Aegean, bit surprised that was mentioned.

British nationals making the effort to learn fluently another language? Are you kidding? :eek: :E

Who said anything about the UK? I didn't. I asked how many non French nationals are employed by AF as this was being suggested as being one of the best 320 jobs in Europe.

How many non French nationals are employed as Captains in AF? It's a reasonable question. If you are worried about any sort of discrimination (I didn't bring that into the discussion either) then surely the figures can be used to disprove any such suggestion.

What about commuting from West Europe? Anyone doing that with AL or is BA/VS a better option?

Some try, for some it works for others its a failure. We don't have commuting rosters and I haven't seen any appetite from management to go down this path to retain foreign pilots (we lose quite a few that join after a while as they logically want to be close to home). We have a preferential bidding rostering system which sometimes gives you what you want and other times not. There is little transparency on why it works or fails but you can email someone if you can be bothered. The commuters are mainly on the longhaul who have a different rostering system and days off following a trip. Those commuting on short haul will invariably bid for as many overnights away from Dublin as possible to reduce accommodation costs (you are not in any way guaranteed these as they are highly sought after from contracting commuters as well as the young FOs). Rosters can be "Friday changed" for the following week (Monday to Sunday) but your published FREE days cannot be changed. We work a 5 on 3 off roster but a few times a year this can be reduced to 5/2 for a month. Also our network and pairings is not as extensive as someone like BA so bear in mind that you may finish a rostered duty and miss your last flight home or find that during winter we have reduced frequency. If you are starting a week of earlies which typically have reporting times around 0600 then you will need to be in the night previous. The reverse happens on lates where you will most likely miss the last flight home on your day 5 so will be commuting on your days off. It would be very difficult to try and organise a swap to finish early on a series of late duties to facilitate you going home if there is a flight due to FTLs and rest periods (assuming the other person is willing to swap). Its your responsibility to be in work for reporting time and missing a connection due to snow, late arrivals, cancellations etc won't be tolerated by management. All of these factors will have an influence on whether you can or are prepared for the potential stress of trying to organise swaps to make your roster work.

Bear in mind that EI is an Irish airline and is managed out of Dublin although we have a small flight crew base in Cork. You need to appreciate this fact if you intend on joining. Its entire thought process is essentially Dublin centric and its always been that way. Most foreigners that join tend to find that its just as easy to set up roots here in Ireland than it is to mess about stressing over your roster from month to month. Problem therein is the high costs of living. Before joining run the numbers through an online tax calculator and do a google search on cost of living in Dublin.

On the plus side - commuting can be free if you can make it work. You can JS in uniform anywhere on our network so long as the Captain gives approval.

321LRs in a couple of years? ---- This Summer, in 2019
 

2 A321LRs this summer I understand, more for winter and more again for 2020.
LH is about a 2 year wait and commuters tend to opt for West Coast US....LAX, SFO, SEA which are 3 day trips followed by 4 days off.
If you're senior enough you can go West on a Monday, back Wed midday, commute home and have Thurs - Sun at home.
Depending on check-in for next trip you may have to travel on Sunday to be in place to operate West on the Monday, most try and swap for a later check-in.

Yes..housing is expensive and tax is high, can't help you there but watch that space in UK shortly.
However, who else is offering the EI pilot pay-scale (PPJN is accurate) along with a DB final salary pension scheme with a 21% company contribution?
We don't have B747s.....so if you are set on flying them your choice is narrow and we haven't got 380s either, sorry nothing with more than 2 engines.
Nearly all recent departures have been pilots returning to their country of birth.
Some new joiners have come from BA to EI for the same reason.
Wide spectrum of new guys from the Desert, former residents of Iceland, 737 LCCs (blue & red) and regionals.

If anyone wants details pm me and I will attempt to get chapter & verse.
Best wishes to those looking for the home of their choice.