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Andrew7 19th May 2017 20:11

And the Best A320 Contract in Europe is?
 
Well there are many around but there is still one where you are treated like a human being, you are respected and work with friendly professional people........ plus a decent place to be, and on your day off you can get a suntan Any guesses??

samca 19th May 2017 21:08

Vueling .....

Andrew7 19th May 2017 21:36

possibly but I was thinking Aegean ....... total breathe of fresh air ... very uniusual in this day and age

Scuderia46 19th May 2017 22:17

Easyjet Italy / France. Very good contracts and nice bases.

EPST 19th May 2017 22:45

To meet the above stated requirements ezy on a permanent contract in one of the Italian bases.

MXP, 5-4 roster with preferencial bidding, decent pension scheme, 9000 for a captain after taxes. And loyalty + performance bonus ;)

fpuentegomez 20th May 2017 05:42

Certainly not VLG... They are not even close to acceptable conditions at times...

Kim Jong Il 20th May 2017 11:43

Preferencial bidding with easy? How does that work? You bid for which airport you can do your 25 minute turn around

Scuderia46 20th May 2017 12:05

Nope, you can bid for either late or early duties which means you can have some sort of control on your social life. You can plan ahead and don't have to wait for rosters to come out cause you already know your days off. 9000 euros net for a captain, with their loyalty bonus included you are looking at 10000 euros net. Plus you're a captain after 5 / 6 years. Name me an airline in Europe with such a stable roster and good salary in such a short time.

FO's earn 5000 net and SFO 6000 net. In France FO salaries are slightly higher. I'm pretty sure there are few FO's in Europe on that salary in the beginning of their career and having a 5-4 roster.

P.S. All on permanent contracts of course with a pension. Not that Ryanair crap with zero hour contracts and vague tax deals.

Andrew7 20th May 2017 12:18

This is good to hear so far we have 3 contenders Vueling/Aegean/EasyJet .. you see I don't see that there is a pilot shortage ... but there are Airlines with total lack of respect or interest in their crews ...it has got so bad recently that a lot of decent high housed guys just prefer to sit at home .. and why not. We chose flying as a rewarding career not to be treated by some of these Airlines like we don't exist unless it suits them. At least if you go to China they pay you well to be treated like a second class citizen. For me it's about working for a caring Airline that respects my life and the fact that I have one outside of Aviation and treats me well. A decent salary helps of course.

akindofmagic 20th May 2017 13:48

easyJet Switzerland is more or less on a par with the other continental bases. c.8000CHF net for SFO, c.11000CHF net for captains, preferential bidding (which seems to be working better and better), 10% bonus after five years (15% after ten), excellent pension, part time readily available. Hard work, no fixed pattern, but a fairly good deal overall.

SextanteUK 21st May 2017 03:15

I'd love to fly for Easyjet out of Switzerland, and it looks like a pretty decent deal like you say, but cost of living is extremely high over there, isn't it? :ugh:

akindofmagic 21st May 2017 08:08

Cost of living in Switzerland is very high. Many people offset the cost by living over the border in France.

drag king 21st May 2017 09:29


Originally Posted by fpuentegomez (Post 9776561)
Certainly not VLG... They are not even close to acceptable conditions at times...

There is more to meet the eye, IMHO.

After the horrific 2016-summer fiasco, the airline is putting in place some measures to avoid repeating it. Life is much easier for everyone right now.

Money is a semi-sore point: you won't get even near those eJ's figures (not that they impress me too much, without taking a snapshot of an average-daily/monthly roster...) but you can count of some decent perks such as ZED for partner/kids (and now two more names with IB), extracrew for your weekly commuting and unlimited staff travel on VY network for up to eight people plus 24 standby-sectors of free eligibility.

Benefits: similar to those of a semi-legacy airline but I don't have anything to compare against to, so I wouldn't stress this too much. I am sure eJ & C. are not too far off.

Bases: obviously an almost-perfect match if you are a spaniard but not too bad for Italian, French, Dutch or even some Brits too.

Company's general attitude: well...is anyone 100% happy with theirs out there? Without going too much into details, I would like to see Paris-based folks be given BETTER terms in order to match the horrendous costs of living there and the CCs T&C bumped up a fair bit.

If you are young and/or single, without strings attached, free-spirited then this wagon might be worth jumping on. It surely was for me but be aware that I binned my rode-tinted specs loooong ago, so I am defo NOT biased.

Horses for courses folks!

CaptainProp 21st May 2017 10:24

Aegean?! Honestly, this business is doomed. Have you seen the pay they are "offering"?!

The African Dude 21st May 2017 10:32


Originally Posted by Scuderia46 (Post 9776800)
Name me an airline in Europe with such a stable roster and good salary in such a short time.

Not even easyJet, in fact. Because as a Captain, you ain't getting an MXP base for years and years.

More realistically you might get that kind of money in VCE but on a flexible roster with no predictability over your roster or over when your base might get closed.

Kim Jong Il 21st May 2017 11:13


Originally Posted by Scuderia46 (Post 9776800)
Nope, you can bid for either late or early duties which means you can have some sort of control on your social life. You can plan ahead and don't have to wait for rosters to come out cause you already know your days off. 9000 euros net for a captain, with their loyalty bonus included you are looking at 10000 euros net. Plus you're a captain after 5 / 6 years. Name me an airline in Europe with such a stable roster and good salary in such a short time.

FO's earn 5000 net and SFO 6000 net. In France FO salaries are slightly higher. I'm pretty sure there are few FO's in Europe on that salary in the beginning of their career and having a 5-4 roster.

P.S. All on permanent contracts of course with a pension. Not that Ryanair crap with zero hour contracts and vague tax deals.

Wow, where can I sign? SFO on WB and make less then 6000 Nett.. Good for you guys!

dirk85 21st May 2017 12:00

Yeah, the waiting list to go to Italy as a Captain is extremely long in EZY. And before you can reach those SFO figures you need at least 4 years in the company (and still 6000 is on the optimistic side).
Forget about Venice too, the criterias to go there now are not seniority based anymore.

Andrew7 21st May 2017 15:59

Captainprop not sure where you get that from The pay is not too bad at all plus I get my accommodation paid for ... staff and Interline travel on star alliance network , nicely maintained aircraft , really nice cabin crew plus a company that is successful and making a lot of money annually .. I am content ...

flyhigh788 21st May 2017 18:11

@Andrew: Are you a contractor or directly employed?

alshep 21st May 2017 19:54

I would say easyJet is the best outfit right now on the A320. Good stable company, nice fixed roster (if you're lucky to have it) and you sleep at home most of the time.

Vueling is not bad provided you're a high seniority captain in your home base, specially if you're also LSC/TRE, at least money-wise.

I would also add Aer Lingus, they look nice.

Legacy carriers obviously are there... but let's not take them into account today...


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