Thanks for the input limahotel.

I am in no way defending anyone here , just wanted to state a few experiences from cadets that I have been speaking to. And I know a few at the blue and yellow too- those guys are lucky to be getting their preferred base , and of course I realise they could be in the minority , however I did think (please correct me if I'm wrong) there was an effort being made to try get pilots to their preferred base.

limahotel are you working for them , and are you finding it hard to get your chosen base?

SAR, one of my friends is a TRE in FR. He joined the gig in 2008 and has NEVER been based outside of UK, not even when he was a cadet! I know there are people that have to wait for a base, but I would take all the doom and gloom with a big pinch of salt!

Oh dear; how easily one accepts crumbs from the table, licking from the floor, rather than sitting at the table for a full meal.

Maybe your right RAT5. I say again however, where is this 'full meal' to be found?

Used to. I didn't get the preffered base, but then again not a lot of cadets did. That has changed a bit (coming from some of my friends still working there). Just before I left, they were starting to put in some effort to improve things. But they are still a long way from where they should be. Is it even legal for them not to provide you with free water?!

Just in terms of the thread title and bringing the most up to date information , can anyone currently from either airline post the plus and minus of each. Or even better if someone left one to join the other and their experience.

The plus side for my friends who are at the red and white team as cadets in comparison to the blue and yellow are things like:
You receive wages during your line training which allow you to "live" , I have heard a few time of cadets sleeping in their cars!!
Not required to pay for your own uniform.
I believe but am open to correction , crew meals supplied.
Hotels payed for , no need to pay upfront and reclaim , which could be difficult for new cadets who are just keeping their head above water financially.

Again I am no way defending any of the above conditions etc and know they should all be given from day 1 , but unfortunately this is not the case.

Would love to get thoughts on above.

just curious, the 6000 pounds or euros that ryanair match for pension are for the state pension or for a private pension?

I dont have a clue how pension works in europe.

It's the private company pension.

The State pension in most countries in Europe is earned by paying tax.

State Pension
 

In the UK you must have paid National Insurance for 30 years, I believe, to be entitled for minimum state pension. State pension is earned in Spain by paying Social Seguridad for 5 years for minimum pension and 15 years for full state pension. You can obtain a higher state pension in either country by paying extra contributions. State pension can be claimed on top of your company pension when you have reached retirement age in your respective country although your tax will be adjusted to reflect you extra income.

No idea about the rest of Europe!

Spanish state pension
 

Spanish state pension requires a minimum of 15 years working/paying social insurance, that would get you the minimum retirement, if you want the full retirement pay it is 35 years.
VERY IMPORTANT: if you work less than 15 years in Spain you get no retirement pension.
35 years is 100% pay, they deduce 2 to 5% per year you are missing, if you only did 15 years then you get 50% or so.
The 100% is not a fixed quantity and it varies depending on your pay through your working life (average modified for inflation), your social security payments are proportional to your salary, but max pay is caped at around 2200 euros.
Who would retire now getting 2200 euros a month?, well somebody who has worked the past 35 years without gaps and with high salary.
So in the best of the cases you would get 2200.
This is a rough overview of the spanish system.

Thanks guys. Last question, the private pension is at any bank you choose?

best wishes

Hello, is it allowed to fly with personal headset at RYR?

What he said ^^, although I do believe if you haven't the 15 years contributions your entitled to a welfare pension.......:}. I think the 15 years minimum contributions entitle you to circa €8000/yr state pension if memory serves right, so not too shabby.

Anyhow, whatever the exact figures, the Spaniards will look after you much better than the Brits when it comes to public healthcare or pensions.

Not quite.

Your PM are full. Tks LEVC

Following on from the "Caribbean Blind Date" offer, those of you who still consider this shower as a serious employer should take note of the latest development.


Being unable to staff the Roma Fiumicino base (no doubt partly due to their unwillingness to publicise the contract, & the offered conditions appearing to be below those in force at the Spanish bases, which are hardly a "lottery win" in anyones language ) the company has resorted to the tactics utilised to steamroller all contractors into signing up with OSM in the beginning of 2015. Threatening emails, with short time limits to respond, in regard to obtaining Italian Fiscal numbers, may sound familiar to anyone who encountered some of the individuals involved in NAI (with the emphasis on I ) in their previous domain.
Forced base transfers seem to have become a seasonal fact of life in Norwegian these last few years, just as the competition are waking up to the fact that they lose many people if they don't ameliorate this situation.

This, along with veiled threats to delay /stall the CLA negotiation with the Spanish Union, will ring a bell in many peeps ears . . . . . treat these people with the caution & disdain they deserve chaps/chappeses. . . . they are trying to reinvent the wheel by making it square, just as the opposition is reaching the conclusion it works better when rounded.

As they rightly point out in their OSM/NAR/NAI BS "it's all about people", yep, but that cuts both ways. . . . . .

Bases and applicable labor law jurisdiction is a hot topic at the moment following the Ryanair/Norway court ruling. In respect of crew members labor rights and labor principles circumvention, it is difficult to imagine any worse environment in the civilized world than the gross hypocrisy of the Norwegian regime. Those responsible at the Fornebu rats nest have also demonstrated a misguided interpretation of a ‘Just Culture’.

Kjos continues to plead with the US DOT that Irish labor law will apply to crew operating the planned NAI Cork-Boston service. Irish officials, media and public, continue as willing pawns in the NAI permit application:-

http://www.thejournal.ie/norwegian-a...48823-Aug2016/

“Opponents say that Norwegian is only in Ireland to evade Norway’s more strict labor laws”

Kjos assurances of Irish labor law applicability and oversight leads to the obvious question;

How many of Norwegian’s pilots and cabin crews are actually based in Ireland and have Irish employment contracts?

The incumbent workforce are so underwhelmed by the potential (unpublished/hidden) T's & C's they would receive stateside (after last years smoke & mirrors) that the company is having to advertise the Gig separately.

Resource Group - - B737NG Captain - J526161

Wouldn't be surprised if they still manage to lay off some of the European workforce over Winter though in any case.

"Contract Duration: 5 months with opportunity for direct hire afterwards in Europe "

Does this mean that you will have a shot at a proper contract as a direct hire by Norwegian?

edit: to avoid any misunderstanding: it was just a joke!

Yep, there are "degrees of directness" in their eyes . . . . . :hmm: