The salary and working conditions thread - 2015/16
 

All,

Please take the time to contribute to this thread which is long overdue. Hoping to make this thread one of the most comprehensive roundups in a while.

Please feel free to contribute even if your employer, salary and conditions have already been mentioned.

I suggest the below format (copy/paste it, then pad in your details):

Rank:
Current a/c type:
Years in service:
Type of airline (name if you’re brave!):
Base country:
Hours per month (average):
Monthly salary (before tax):
Monthly salary (after tax):
Additional payments:
Any benefits?:
Happy (yes/no):

Rank: SFO
Current a/c type: B190
Years in service: 6
Type of airline (name if you’re brave!): Charter, EU
Base country: Depends, can be Africa, but at the mo in Europe
Hours per month (average): 60 (Roster; 28 days on 28 days off. Off; at home so, zero hours!
Monthly salary (before tax): 3,975€ (12months)
Monthly salary (after tax): 3, 600€ (375 per month deduction for TR)
Additional payments: approx 1, 500€ for 28 days on
Any benefits?: loss of licence insurance, health insurance
Happy (yes/no): happy with time off and money but no chance of command as PICs aren't going to leave their salaries and roster!

The salary and working conditions thread - 2015
 

Rank: Capt
Current a/c type: B737
Years in service: 6
Type of airline (name if you’re brave!): Europe LCC
Base country: Europe, continent
Hours per month (average): 75 in 11 working months
Monthly salary (before tax): 10k
Monthly salary (after tax): 6,5k (due high mortgage deductions)
Additional payments:
Any benefits?: Pension, Telex headset in
Happy (yes/no): Hmm. Would be happy in my preferred base, aka "home".

A plea for those brave people posting - could you include the currency please?

Rank: FO
Current a/c type: B737
Years in service: 3
Type of airline (name if you’re brave!): LoCo
Base country: UK
Hours per month (average): 70-80
Monthly salary (before tax): £4000
Monthly salary (after tax): £2800
Additional payments: Nil
Any benefits?: Nil - contractor
Happy (yes/no): Yes - home with family every night

Rank: FO
Current a/c type: A320
Years in service: Just started
Type of airline (name if you’re brave!): Holiday charter operator
Base country: UK
Hours per month (average): Expecting around 60 per month
Monthly salary (before tax): £4,900
Monthly salary (after tax): £3,400
Additional payments: Maybe a small bonus at the end of the year?
Any benefits?: Pension, Loss of license cover, health cover
Happy (yes/no): First home based job in my career so very happy

Rank: Capt.
A/C Type: A320.
Years in service: 15.
Type of Airline: Orange.
Base Country: UK.
Hours per Month: 65.
Monthly Salary after tax (excluding bonus and having paid 12% into pension and £275 per month into share plans). £5300.
Additional payments: Annual Bonus of £ 8000 after tax.
Benefits: LOL. Other nif , naf and Triv. 6/7 % into pension.
Happy: As a pig in ....

Rank: SFO
Current a/c type: 7x7
Years in service: 5
Type of airline (name if you’re brave!): European LCC, based 'oop North
Base country: UK
Hours per month (average): 40-50
Monthly salary (before tax): 4,500£
Monthly salary (after tax): 3,300£ - after some deductions for voluntary things
Additional payments: None
Any benefits?: 6% pension contribution, not very good income protection scheme
Happy (yes/no): inbetween - not great, not terrible.

Rank: I sign TLB
Current a/c type: 737
Years in service: 1 for current employer, 14 total
Type of airline (name if you’re brave!): LCC
Base country: let's just say it's in SW Asia
Hours per month (average): 50 winter, 90 summer
Monthly salary (before tax): have no idea
Monthly salary (after tax): 6100 Eur at current exchange rate
Additional payments: overtime, complicated to calculate but usually kicks in at 75
Any benefits?: LOL
Happy (yes/no): very

Why don't we talk about the reducing Ts & Cs because of Pay2Fly:ugh:

Rank: fo
Current a/c type: regional jet
Years in service: 6
Type of airline (name if you’re brave!): hard to say
Base country: mainland Europe
Hours per monthw(average):60-70
Monthly salary (before tax): 4500€
Monthly salary (after tax): 2500€
Additional payments: 1000€/ month tax free
Any benefits?: lol, staff travel, pension
Happy (yes/no): sometimes

Can someone explain how this thread is useful? Most people know what the Ts and Cs are at major carriers and if you don't just look on PPJN.

I also fail to see the point. What is happening with all this when it is there ? As a reference document it is totally useless. Because of its location it is valueless without context.

If you have nothing to contribute, then just ignore it. :ok:

I find it interesting.

Enzo, I have been using PPJN for over a decade, and whilst it's good to satisfy that odd bit of curiosity, it mostly contains outdated and insignificant information.

This thread will highlight the realities particularly around take home pay and perceptions of those who are employed. What might improve it a little is if we can all also contribute with a bit of free text and not be constrained by the format too much.

:confused:

Great thread, finding it extremely interesting also!!!

Rank: Rh seat ;) usually
Current a/c type: B737
Years in service: 3
Type of airline (name if you’re brave!): Charter
Base country: Africa ITCZ;)
Hours per month (average): 70-80
Roster: 60 days ON, 30 Days Off
Monthly salary (before tax): USD 5400
Monthly salary (after tax): USD 5400
Additional payments: every End of Year 3800 USD
Any benefits?: Accomodation, Flight Tickets to home, loss of licence insurance
Happy (yes/no): Yes at the time being

Rank: SFO
Current a/c type: Saab 340
Years in service: 4 in current 8 yrs total airlines
Type of airline (name if you’re brave!): Loganair
Base country: Scotland
Hours per month (average): 50 or 60 flying. On duty on ground a lot more.
Roster: Generally 5 days on 2 off. Often late finish before off days, early start after. Poor roster stability under new regime.
Monthly salary (before tax): 2600GBP
Monthly salary (after tax): 1850 GBP after deducted 8% pension £243 voucher for childcare
Additional payments: Christmas bonus. Lowest about £500 highest about £1000 before tax
Any benefits?: Duty pay £9 per duty sector pay £2.60. Company pay an excellent 12% into pension as long as I pay 8%.
Happy (yes/no): No. I'm leaving. Gonna miss fantastic colleagues, and learning from superb captains and trainers. Not gonna miss poor cheap hotels. No possible career progression without unpopular base move, for indefinite period.
Great folks to work with, but aggressive bean counters to work for now. Pity.

Interesting thread.

Rank: FO
Current a/c type: A320, still rated on 737
Years in service: 14
Type of airline (name if you’re brave!): scheduled, central europe.
Base country: Central Europe.
Hours per month (average): 30 to 40 plus around 20 for union work
Monthly salary (before tax): 8.200€
Monthly salary (after tax): 5.200€
Additional payments: guaranteed overtime if not flown, transportation bonus for early check in, late check out, uniform cleaning, sector pay for 4 sectors a day or more (complicated thing).
Any benefits?: LoL, Pension
Happy (yes/no): Kinda happy, although the prospect of another 5 to 10 years in the right seat isn't really nice.

To be honest, a total yearly salary would be probably more informative as it includes all the other stuff.

Rank:SFO
Current a/c type:A330/320
Years in service:15
Type of airline (name if you’re brave!):CHARTER UK
Base country:UK
Hours per month (average):70
Monthly salary (before tax):£6200
Monthly salary (after tax):£4500 AFTER VOL DEDUCTIONS of apprx 660
Additional payments: All expenses, uniforms etc, some company discounts
Benefits: lol, pension, medical ins, life ins.
Happy? Mostly, management seem to want us to be unhappy, unlikely to get a better paid SFO job if I move. Good destinations on LH.